Good lumpy. I look forward to it. Never thought of the hard tack. Nice idea, but defeats the store bought challenge.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat is the VERY reason that I think your post was irresponsible. I was respectful -- specifically so -- in my first response to you. But I think it is important for people who are seriously looking at preps and survival to not mislead "newbies" into thinking that a run to WalMart (or wherever) and an 800 calorie/day stock up is going to keep them alive and functioning.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by seahorse » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 00:55:28
My post was irresponsible? Your nuts. If you are so responsible, why didn't you start it? Misled anyone? Not hardly. My plan is still better than what you have offered, which is of course, nothing, until you produce one. So, produce one. I want to have the best $500 store bought plan posted on this site.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by seazar » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 01:07:44
These might be good barter items:
salt
sugar
booze
honey
cigarettes
coffee
salt
sugar
booze
honey
cigarettes
coffee
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by DomusAlbion » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 01:19:50
Here is a mixed diet of grains and legumes that will sustain a person for one year. These foods supply a rich source of vitamins, minerals, and fiber, and are an excellent source of protein. This should supply about 1200 calories per day which is closer to what a normal adult needs to maintain good health. These are given in dry gallon measures.
12 gal Hard Red Wheat
6 gal Soft White Wheat
6 gal Rolled Oats
6 gal Yellow Popcorn
12 gal White Rice
6 gal Pinto Beans
6 gal Red Beans
18 gal White Wheat
6 gal Pearl Barley
2 gal of Corn oil.
This is nearly 600 pounds of dried food that will last in a cool dry place for years. Most of this can be bought at Costco, except for the wheat. You'll either have to buy that through an on-line service or like us buy it from local wheat growers. Flour will be OK but it will not keep as well and is not as nutritious as the whole grain.
You can probably buy all this for $500 but I haven't check at the market. We get our wheat at market value which currently is around $7 a bushel (about 5 dry gallons). Many food co-ops and “health food stores” sell grains and legumes in bulk.
12 gal Hard Red Wheat
6 gal Soft White Wheat
6 gal Rolled Oats
6 gal Yellow Popcorn
12 gal White Rice
6 gal Pinto Beans
6 gal Red Beans
18 gal White Wheat
6 gal Pearl Barley
2 gal of Corn oil.
This is nearly 600 pounds of dried food that will last in a cool dry place for years. Most of this can be bought at Costco, except for the wheat. You'll either have to buy that through an on-line service or like us buy it from local wheat growers. Flour will be OK but it will not keep as well and is not as nutritious as the whole grain.
You can probably buy all this for $500 but I haven't check at the market. We get our wheat at market value which currently is around $7 a bushel (about 5 dry gallons). Many food co-ops and “health food stores” sell grains and legumes in bulk.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by frankthetank » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 01:23:58
Buy basics and try to grow as much as possible.
Wheat, beans, sugar, rice, honey, canning supplies...
I'd get fish oil or something with some Omega 3's... Those are hard to get unless you live in Alaska.
Get a chest freezer, couple of deep cycles and a solar panel and you'll be good without power. Plus 5 months of the year its almost cold enough to store stuff without refrigeration up here. Not sure why people need everything dried/canned. Frozen tastes better...except tomatoes...
Personally i might last a month, but i got good stuff
I really think this is premature and doubt we have to worry about this for years. If anything its good planning for natural disasters.
I want to do a week in the wild without anything. I would love to go to northern WI with just a kayak and a fishing pole, some matches...
Wheat, beans, sugar, rice, honey, canning supplies...
I'd get fish oil or something with some Omega 3's... Those are hard to get unless you live in Alaska.
Get a chest freezer, couple of deep cycles and a solar panel and you'll be good without power. Plus 5 months of the year its almost cold enough to store stuff without refrigeration up here. Not sure why people need everything dried/canned. Frozen tastes better...except tomatoes...
Personally i might last a month, but i got good stuff
I really think this is premature and doubt we have to worry about this for years. If anything its good planning for natural disasters.
I want to do a week in the wild without anything. I would love to go to northern WI with just a kayak and a fishing pole, some matches...
lawns should be outlawed.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by eastbay » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 01:30:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'B')ased on all the naysayers, I'm modifying this original post to make a challenge. Here's the challenge. Get a $500 budget and tell people exactly what to buy, in what quanties, give the storage life, and it has to involve no storage preparation, meaning, a person stores it as it is bought. Why did I choose $500? Because most people have $500 credit card limits, many municipal employees I know get a $500 X-Mas bonus, and the last government rebate averaged $600. So, that's our budget.
The purpose of this thread is to give people an actual plan, within a budget, that any urbanite (who can't have farm animals or garden) can buy at any store and stock it away until a rainy day. No canning! This has to be simple for boiled frogs to jump out of the mental frying pan that they don't have the money or know how to take action.
I've done my best to come up with a one year food supply, that is long lasting (at least two years), on the cheap, which provides the minimum caloric intake of an adult to survive - SURVIVE NOT THRIVE, for under $500. Here it is:
Breakfast - one serving of oatmeal, 150 calories; with one tablespoon of honey on it (60 calories), and A one a day vitamin;
Lunch - one peanut butter sandwhich, which is 2 table spoons of peanut butter (380 calories) and two pieces of wheat bread (140 calories);
Dinner - package of Ramen noodles, 2 servings per package (total 380 calories);
Rice, beans not included in this daily meal plan, but are on the shopping list (quantity to buy listed later).
Total daily calories = 768 (excluding rice, beans)
GO TO BED HUNGRY, BUT ALIVE, SUPPLEMENT WHAT YOU CAN FROM WHERE YOU CAN.
Now, how much does it take and cost:
1. Peanut butter - Jar of peanut butter, (30 servings), $3 per month x 12 months total of $36;
*peanut butter has 2 year shelf life
2. Honey - 5 lb bottle, $9 per bottle, 108 servings per bottle, 4 bottles per year for total of $36;
*honey has indefinite shelf life
3. Bread - 3 loaves per month x $2 per loaf = $6 per month x 12 months = $72.
*I recommend buying bread as you need it, set the money aside to buy as needed
4. Ramen noodles - 12 packs per case, one pack is 380 calories at less than .20 per pack. One pack per day = $4 per month x 12 months = $36 per year. Ramen noodles have at least 2 year shelf life.
5. 300 pack daily vitamin, $15
6. 50lb bag of rice ($30);
7. $50lb bag beans ($30);
Total costs $295.
With the remaining $200, Throw in some spam, and some type of canned fish. It is cheap and last indefinitely.
The purpose of this thread is to give people an actual plan, within a budget, that any urbanite (who can't have farm animals or garden) can buy at any store and stock it away until a rainy day. No canning! This has to be simple for boiled frogs to jump out of the mental frying pan that they don't have the money or know how to take action.
I've done my best to come up with a one year food supply, that is long lasting (at least two years), on the cheap, which provides the minimum caloric intake of an adult to survive - SURVIVE NOT THRIVE, for under $500. Here it is:
Breakfast - one serving of oatmeal, 150 calories; with one tablespoon of honey on it (60 calories), and A one a day vitamin;
Lunch - one peanut butter sandwhich, which is 2 table spoons of peanut butter (380 calories) and two pieces of wheat bread (140 calories);
Dinner - package of Ramen noodles, 2 servings per package (total 380 calories);
Rice, beans not included in this daily meal plan, but are on the shopping list (quantity to buy listed later).
Total daily calories = 768 (excluding rice, beans)
GO TO BED HUNGRY, BUT ALIVE, SUPPLEMENT WHAT YOU CAN FROM WHERE YOU CAN.
Now, how much does it take and cost:
1. Peanut butter - Jar of peanut butter, (30 servings), $3 per month x 12 months total of $36;
*peanut butter has 2 year shelf life
2. Honey - 5 lb bottle, $9 per bottle, 108 servings per bottle, 4 bottles per year for total of $36;
*honey has indefinite shelf life
3. Bread - 3 loaves per month x $2 per loaf = $6 per month x 12 months = $72.
*I recommend buying bread as you need it, set the money aside to buy as needed
4. Ramen noodles - 12 packs per case, one pack is 380 calories at less than .20 per pack. One pack per day = $4 per month x 12 months = $36 per year. Ramen noodles have at least 2 year shelf life.
5. 300 pack daily vitamin, $15
6. 50lb bag of rice ($30);
7. $50lb bag beans ($30);
Total costs $295.
With the remaining $200, Throw in some spam, and some type of canned fish. It is cheap and last indefinitely.
Some home grown fruit and vegetables added along with a few chickens, and this plan could work ... I mean work to get one over a severe crisis... not intended as a lifetime plan, of course.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by Ayoob » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 02:59:38
9 50# sacks of rice would provide 2000 calories per day for one person for a year. The price is $191. You would die of malnutrition anyway, but that's your calories for a year.
Multivitamins -- $30 gets you a year's supply of Centrum multivitamins.
50# of black eyed peas are about $55
Same with small red beans or black beans
At about $300, you've got your carbohydrates covered for a year plus a little protein. Protein's expensive, though. That's tough to get around on a very low budget.
A can of chunk light tuna is about $1.10, but I've seen it on sale recently for 0.69. I would blow the last 200 on tuna and that's about it.
You could drop a bag or two of rice out of the calculation and save yourself $40, but I wouldn't. You'd have extra to trade or sell.
ETA: Are any of you guys actually buying this stuff and storing it? I got started a couple years ago in a small way, but kicked it into high gear this fall. Plus TP, razor blades, soap, propane, etc.
Multivitamins -- $30 gets you a year's supply of Centrum multivitamins.
50# of black eyed peas are about $55
Same with small red beans or black beans
At about $300, you've got your carbohydrates covered for a year plus a little protein. Protein's expensive, though. That's tough to get around on a very low budget.
A can of chunk light tuna is about $1.10, but I've seen it on sale recently for 0.69. I would blow the last 200 on tuna and that's about it.
You could drop a bag or two of rice out of the calculation and save yourself $40, but I wouldn't. You'd have extra to trade or sell.
ETA: Are any of you guys actually buying this stuff and storing it? I got started a couple years ago in a small way, but kicked it into high gear this fall. Plus TP, razor blades, soap, propane, etc.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 03:19:24
My additions to seahorses diet:
Breakfast - one serving of oatmeal, 150 calories; with one tablespoon of honey on it (60 calories), and A one a day vitamin;
Lunch - one peanut butter sandwhich, which is 2 table spoons of peanut butter (380 calories) and two pieces of wheat bread (140 calories);
Dinner - package of Ramen noodles, 2 servings per package (total 380 calories);
Rice, beans not included in this daily meal plan, but are on the shopping list (quantity to buy listed later).
Popcorn in the first months can help you fill up, gives you fats that make you feel full and is a treat which is VERY crucial on this kind of emergency diet.
Costs:
1. Peanut butter - Jar of peanut butter, (30 servings), $3 per month x 12 months total of $36;
*peanut butter has 2 year shelf life
2. Honey - 5 lb bottle, $9 per bottle, 108 servings per bottle, 4 bottles per year for total of $36;
*honey has indefinite shelf life3. Bread - 3 loaves per month x $2 per loaf = $6 per month x 12 months = $72.
*I recommend buying bread as you need it, set the money aside to buy as needed
4. Ramen noodles - 12 packs per case, one pack is 380 calories at less than .20 per pack. One pack per day = $4 per month x 12 months = $36 per year. Ramen noodles have at least 2 year shelf life.
5. 300 pack daily vitamin, $15
6. 50lb bag of rice ($30);
7. $50lb bag beans ($30);
8. 2 cases of ramen noodles. 2 cases= 11.00 (CDN)
9. 10 lb bag of rolled oats (forgotten in first post) = 6.49 (CDN)
10. 52 cans tuna x .0.95 = 49.40
11. 12 lbs butter (for fats and popcorn) = 60 (CDN)
12. 50 lbs popcorn = 36.00 (CDN)
Total costs $457.89.
With the remaining $42.11, Throw in some spam, or use USED canning jars as suggested by Preston or raisins (which is a great idea) by Laurasia.
Edited to add: I have had to do something like this when I was younger I had to leave a very bad relationship. I had $60/two weeks to feed myself (Canadian dollars which doesn't get you very far).
Its important to stay away from processed food when you do this because on a drastically reduced calorie diet you will kill your stomache eating shit if there isn't anything good to dilute the bad.
For Breakfast I had two eggs with a piece of toast.
Lunch was one peanut butter and jam sandwich.
dinner was frozen vegies and a potato with butter.
I ate a big bowl of popcorn in the afternoon or evening if I was still hungry. and I took a Good vitamin.
Yeah, I went to bed hungry but the popcorn really helped and after I'd adjusted to the plan *(I was on it for about 6 months) I dropped 50 lbs in 3 months, (like I said it was a bad relationship). But I was very healthy and active.
Breakfast - one serving of oatmeal, 150 calories; with one tablespoon of honey on it (60 calories), and A one a day vitamin;
Lunch - one peanut butter sandwhich, which is 2 table spoons of peanut butter (380 calories) and two pieces of wheat bread (140 calories);
Dinner - package of Ramen noodles, 2 servings per package (total 380 calories);
Rice, beans not included in this daily meal plan, but are on the shopping list (quantity to buy listed later).
Popcorn in the first months can help you fill up, gives you fats that make you feel full and is a treat which is VERY crucial on this kind of emergency diet.
Costs:
1. Peanut butter - Jar of peanut butter, (30 servings), $3 per month x 12 months total of $36;
*peanut butter has 2 year shelf life
2. Honey - 5 lb bottle, $9 per bottle, 108 servings per bottle, 4 bottles per year for total of $36;
*honey has indefinite shelf life3. Bread - 3 loaves per month x $2 per loaf = $6 per month x 12 months = $72.
*I recommend buying bread as you need it, set the money aside to buy as needed
4. Ramen noodles - 12 packs per case, one pack is 380 calories at less than .20 per pack. One pack per day = $4 per month x 12 months = $36 per year. Ramen noodles have at least 2 year shelf life.
5. 300 pack daily vitamin, $15
6. 50lb bag of rice ($30);
7. $50lb bag beans ($30);
8. 2 cases of ramen noodles. 2 cases= 11.00 (CDN)
9. 10 lb bag of rolled oats (forgotten in first post) = 6.49 (CDN)
10. 52 cans tuna x .0.95 = 49.40
11. 12 lbs butter (for fats and popcorn) = 60 (CDN)
12. 50 lbs popcorn = 36.00 (CDN)
Total costs $457.89.
With the remaining $42.11, Throw in some spam, or use USED canning jars as suggested by Preston or raisins (which is a great idea) by Laurasia.
Edited to add: I have had to do something like this when I was younger I had to leave a very bad relationship. I had $60/two weeks to feed myself (Canadian dollars which doesn't get you very far).
Its important to stay away from processed food when you do this because on a drastically reduced calorie diet you will kill your stomache eating shit if there isn't anything good to dilute the bad.
For Breakfast I had two eggs with a piece of toast.
Lunch was one peanut butter and jam sandwich.
dinner was frozen vegies and a potato with butter.
I ate a big bowl of popcorn in the afternoon or evening if I was still hungry. and I took a Good vitamin.
Yeah, I went to bed hungry but the popcorn really helped and after I'd adjusted to the plan *(I was on it for about 6 months) I dropped 50 lbs in 3 months, (like I said it was a bad relationship). But I was very healthy and active.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $220.
by Koyaanisqatsi » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 03:27:28
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', '(')bleach goes bad in six months)
Is that right??!!! I asked that once on the water thread but got no response.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $220.
by JJ » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 06:02:31
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Koyaanisqatsi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', '(')bleach goes bad in six months)
Is that right??!!! I asked that once on the water thread but got no response.
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OK here is my $500 shopping list. I've added a few thingsin small amounts that wont keep indefinatly . use them up first. As many have said in a years time as you are living off of this you would scrounge up fresh greens, fruits in season, meat and fish to add to this and grow a garden if you had the land.
