Ayoob's plan of lots of rice is probably the easiest way to get the calories way up, within the budget, for long term storage. Just buy lots of rice and a bottle of vitamins. Supplement the protein that you need when you can, where you can.
At about $40 for 50 lbs of rice, a person could buy 600 lbs of rice (total of $480), buy a pack of 300 vitamins for $15.
White rice has (I think this is for cooked rice)-
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ide Daily Values % Daily Value*
Serving Size 1/2 cup
Amount per serving
Calories 205 Calories from Fat 4
Total Fat 0g 0%
Saturated Fat 0g 0%
Cholesterol 0mg 0%
Sodium 2mg 0%
Total Carbohydrates 45g 15%
Dietary Fiber 1g
Protein 4g
Vitamin A 0% Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 2% Iron 2%
Thiamin 2% Riboflavin 1%
Niacin 3% Pantothenic Acid 6%
Vitamin B6 7% Potassium 2%
Phosphorus 7% Magnesium 5%
Zinc 5% Copper 5%
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by seahorse » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 17:08:59
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According to this, there are 2 cups per rice per pound (so 100 cups in a 50lb bag of white rice).
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According to this website, There are 160 calories in 1/4 cup of white rice uncooked.
Whiteland Rice
So, 640 calories per cup x 100 cups per 50lb bag = 64k calories per 50 lbs divided by 2000 calorie per day diet = 32 days of food in a 50lb bag of rice.
So, to maintain a 2k calorie a day diet for one year, a person needs 12 x 50lb bags of rice and a pack of vitamins.
White rice will store a long time if kept dry.
To help prevent the bugs in the rice, it is recommended to freeze the rice for about 3 days after buying it. So, instead of buying 50lb bags, but 5lb bags that can easily go into a standard freezer for a few days.
Here is one solution to the bug problem for rice. Here are some pre-packaged "super pails" of white rice, packaged for long term storage and packaged to eliminate bug problems. Its 48lbs of rice, packaged in a storable bucket, for $55.95, meaning you can get about 8 pails within the $500 budget.
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Don't worry about diet fatigue, trade some of your rice for something else. So, if you have the space, 10 50lb bags of white rice is as cheap and easy way to go.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by vtsnowedin » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 18:53:50
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f you have ever ate just plain rice and plain beans you would know why I spent the extra money on the Spam. 
javascript:emoticon('8)')Ayup I follow you on that ,but I have rifles, ammo, fish poles and bait. In a years time I can come up with better tasting things then Spam. I might buy a case of it for the days when the fish aren't biteing just not $200 worth.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by Dawn » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 19:37:25
If this list doesn't have to be from walmart (I don't shop there so I won't be much help)...
Personally, I have found it challenging to buy large bags of beans short of ordering them from the co-op... And from the co-op everything they sell is organic and more expensive. However, that is where I bought all three types of wheat berries (hard red, hard white and, soft white), yellow split peas, rye berries, bulgar #3, pearled barley, and some more. I call them to place my order and pay over the phone, as my orders are large.
Some good products that we have tried from different stores...
Gordon Food Service: they guarntee all of their dried/canned products for 2 years. I'm sure many will store much longer.
They have the cheapest beef, chicken, ham, aju, and vegetable base... these are nice to add flavor to gravy, soups, rice, and bulgar. The sky is the limit if you're creative. At 3.99 per one pound container... that's pretty good.
Though I'm not a fan of instant mashed potatoes... GFS brand of instant complete is actually pretty good and comes in a plastic container (like coffee) about the size of a #10 can. It's concentrated you use 4 cups of water and one cup of the potatoes. So, for a single person you would need to figure how much you'd like to make. Add a bit of butter and salt/pepper to taste. It's high in Vitamine C 50% @ 2tbs dry- 8tbs prepared. One container makes 130 one half cup servings. It was 7.99 now it's 8.99 (you can buy it when on sale). Compare that to betty crocker.
I will add more and try to come to a conclusion... I think you can have more varietly that's much more than rice and beans for 500 bucks.
Personally, I have found it challenging to buy large bags of beans short of ordering them from the co-op... And from the co-op everything they sell is organic and more expensive. However, that is where I bought all three types of wheat berries (hard red, hard white and, soft white), yellow split peas, rye berries, bulgar #3, pearled barley, and some more. I call them to place my order and pay over the phone, as my orders are large.
Some good products that we have tried from different stores...
Gordon Food Service: they guarntee all of their dried/canned products for 2 years. I'm sure many will store much longer.
They have the cheapest beef, chicken, ham, aju, and vegetable base... these are nice to add flavor to gravy, soups, rice, and bulgar. The sky is the limit if you're creative. At 3.99 per one pound container... that's pretty good.
Though I'm not a fan of instant mashed potatoes... GFS brand of instant complete is actually pretty good and comes in a plastic container (like coffee) about the size of a #10 can. It's concentrated you use 4 cups of water and one cup of the potatoes. So, for a single person you would need to figure how much you'd like to make. Add a bit of butter and salt/pepper to taste. It's high in Vitamine C 50% @ 2tbs dry- 8tbs prepared. One container makes 130 one half cup servings. It was 7.99 now it's 8.99 (you can buy it when on sale). Compare that to betty crocker.
I will add more and try to come to a conclusion... I think you can have more varietly that's much more than rice and beans for 500 bucks.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by skyemoor » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 19:40:51
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I') get that. What I am curious about is how you are going to eat them... grind them up in flour? eat nothing but baked beans? BAked beans in what? oil? Salt? yeast? Honey?
There's a slew of recipes for grains and beans;
Bean and grain recipes
More bean recipes
Tuscan Bean Soup and Stew recipes
The internet has a gazillion recipes that have beans: I haven't even started on Mexican and Latino dishes...
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by Ayoob » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 19:51:55
On my bags of rice I found the following information.
Serving size: 1/4 cup
Calories per serving: 180
Servings per bag: 454
My calculation is
454*180=81720, divided by 2000 = 40 days and change. That's for a 50# bag.
Serving size: 1/4 cup
Calories per serving: 180
Servings per bag: 454
My calculation is
454*180=81720, divided by 2000 = 40 days and change. That's for a 50# bag.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by ReverseEngineer » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 20:48:50
Although the Rice/Vitamins diet is probably the cheapest Subsistence Diet and the easiest one to figure out in terms of total calories, its not that hard to balance out with the cheap proteins and fats still available at Walmart.
The Ham meat protein only comes in at around $2/lb as opposed to $1/lb for rice , and besides the protein there is still a decent mount of fat in there and good calories. You can find a good selection of canned goods, dried goods, different types of fats etc to add to your $300 shopping cart, along with of course a few Vitamin bottles.
I personally accumulated most of my supply over a one month Frenzy of Paranoia when I figured Martial Law was imminent. About 5 or 6 trips to Walmart to stock up. The rest of it comes from the fishing and hunting.
I think you need some Levels in your stock as well. I have the Bulk goods like rice and beans, but I also invested in Premium Priced Freeze Dried Mountain House Camping foods as well for a 2-3 month supply. These are light weight and easily transportable, easy to cook just add water and boil.
What if you get evicted from your apartment or foreclosed on in your house? Even if your House or Farm is paid off free and clear, what happens if next year the Goobermint drops on a property tax you can't afford to pay? Many if not most Farms were lost in the Great Depression for failure to pay back taxes owed. They were auctioned off for the tax money due.
I might JUST be able to squeeze all my preps in the form of tents and propane cannisters and solar panels and batteries into my minivan, just exactly how much room will be left for all the food is open to question? Then at the next level, what if I can't get gas for the minivan? How much food etc can I take with me on my bike/trailer combo? That is the Final Stash, the Freeze dried Mountain House stuff that I take with me out into the Yukon with my Gun and my Bow and my Fishing Pole. It lasts me a couple of months. It I can't find enough food out there after that, I will meet my maker.
If it comes down to that, the Human Race is Toast, we are Dead but just don't know it yet. Time will tell.
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The Ham meat protein only comes in at around $2/lb as opposed to $1/lb for rice , and besides the protein there is still a decent mount of fat in there and good calories. You can find a good selection of canned goods, dried goods, different types of fats etc to add to your $300 shopping cart, along with of course a few Vitamin bottles.
I personally accumulated most of my supply over a one month Frenzy of Paranoia when I figured Martial Law was imminent. About 5 or 6 trips to Walmart to stock up. The rest of it comes from the fishing and hunting.
I think you need some Levels in your stock as well. I have the Bulk goods like rice and beans, but I also invested in Premium Priced Freeze Dried Mountain House Camping foods as well for a 2-3 month supply. These are light weight and easily transportable, easy to cook just add water and boil.
What if you get evicted from your apartment or foreclosed on in your house? Even if your House or Farm is paid off free and clear, what happens if next year the Goobermint drops on a property tax you can't afford to pay? Many if not most Farms were lost in the Great Depression for failure to pay back taxes owed. They were auctioned off for the tax money due.
I might JUST be able to squeeze all my preps in the form of tents and propane cannisters and solar panels and batteries into my minivan, just exactly how much room will be left for all the food is open to question? Then at the next level, what if I can't get gas for the minivan? How much food etc can I take with me on my bike/trailer combo? That is the Final Stash, the Freeze dried Mountain House stuff that I take with me out into the Yukon with my Gun and my Bow and my Fishing Pole. It lasts me a couple of months. It I can't find enough food out there after that, I will meet my maker.
If it comes down to that, the Human Race is Toast, we are Dead but just don't know it yet. Time will tell.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by Blacksmith » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 21:29:16
I really like this thread, but do worry that people will buy food they will never use.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by Dawn » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 21:44:56
Blacksmith, I agree that no one should buy something they won't eat, or don't learn to prepare. Buy small and try it out... don't buy 100 pounds of stuff you will never eat.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by vtsnowedin » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 22:16:13
How many five gallon plastic pails packed with food can you carry in say a Toyota Corolla? Leaving room for you the driver I think it is about ten. At 45lbs per pail can we get one persons food into one bug out load? I can see from this thread that my list can be improved on but I think the total volume would be about the same if I took 20 lbs less rice and replaced it with 20 lbs of sugar, molasses, spices,yeast and freeze dryed beef. A tiedyed VW bus loaded up might make quite the bug out mobile:)-
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by patience » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 22:57:28
If I had to do a bug-out, it would take several semi trailers. Not in my plans. But if you must plan to move you year's worth of food, then rent a cheap trailer and a bumper hitch, and worry about having enough food, not about how to haul it.
On containers, plastic buckets are good, but for bulky grains, I prefer plastic barrels. I'm not planning to move it, though. Full of wheat, they weigh around 400 pounds.
If you are cramped for space, keep grains in the original plastic bags, which store compactly, but bear in mind that they are not rodent proof.
On containers, plastic buckets are good, but for bulky grains, I prefer plastic barrels. I'm not planning to move it, though. Full of wheat, they weigh around 400 pounds.
If you are cramped for space, keep grains in the original plastic bags, which store compactly, but bear in mind that they are not rodent proof.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by ReverseEngineer » Sun 14 Dec 2008, 03:33:06
This thread motivated me to take a trip over to Walmart and buy some more Preps 
Even though I feel well stocked, if any of the stuff I predict is coming true, I would kick myself for not having bought enough.
So, I picked up another 20lb bag of rice, another 8lb bag of dried pinto beans and another couple of gallons of Canola Oil. Also some cans of Tuna Fish and a couple of 2lb bars of Sharp Cheddar Cheese. Spent about $150, and probably bought 2 months worth of food in this short shopping expedition.
It occurred to me that unless there is an IMMEDIATE lockdown of the Walmarts, as long as you have some Cash and keep your eye on the news, it would be hard to get caught out so bad you couldn't buy a few months worth of groceries at the last minute. I think if it goes on long enough here where the shelves are gradually getting more bare, any dope would have sense enough to stock up.
What really heartenned me on this trip was the 10lb bag of Potatoes I bought for $5. Cheap carbs, but what was most significant about this bag was where it came from. They are ALASKA GROWN! ALASKA POTATOES! There were stacks of them in mid winter! There is only one place really these potatoes could have come from, and that is right around here because its the only real farm country in Alaska.
I am far less worried today about Starvation in the next year up here. My larder is overflowing, and the Moose are still walking the woods. The Salmon run was good this year, and hopefully it doesn't completely crash by next year. This might not be the greatest Farmland on God's Green Earth, but it does produce some mighty nice Potatoes.
There really is nothing left for me to do now but just wait and see what happens and when. I'm as Prepped as anybody could reasonably be, and it just gets ridiculous to keep buying and storing MORE food. The real test will come with getting a Local Economy running and making do with what we have. Today I think we have enough for this population. Will we be able to farm and fish our way to subsistence on just what Alaska has to offer, will we be able to Trade some Oil with the state of Washington for some more food? I think we will, for a while at least. Maybe even to 2012, and I'll get to see TEOTWAWKI.
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Even though I feel well stocked, if any of the stuff I predict is coming true, I would kick myself for not having bought enough.
So, I picked up another 20lb bag of rice, another 8lb bag of dried pinto beans and another couple of gallons of Canola Oil. Also some cans of Tuna Fish and a couple of 2lb bars of Sharp Cheddar Cheese. Spent about $150, and probably bought 2 months worth of food in this short shopping expedition.
It occurred to me that unless there is an IMMEDIATE lockdown of the Walmarts, as long as you have some Cash and keep your eye on the news, it would be hard to get caught out so bad you couldn't buy a few months worth of groceries at the last minute. I think if it goes on long enough here where the shelves are gradually getting more bare, any dope would have sense enough to stock up.
What really heartenned me on this trip was the 10lb bag of Potatoes I bought for $5. Cheap carbs, but what was most significant about this bag was where it came from. They are ALASKA GROWN! ALASKA POTATOES! There were stacks of them in mid winter! There is only one place really these potatoes could have come from, and that is right around here because its the only real farm country in Alaska.
I am far less worried today about Starvation in the next year up here. My larder is overflowing, and the Moose are still walking the woods. The Salmon run was good this year, and hopefully it doesn't completely crash by next year. This might not be the greatest Farmland on God's Green Earth, but it does produce some mighty nice Potatoes.
There really is nothing left for me to do now but just wait and see what happens and when. I'm as Prepped as anybody could reasonably be, and it just gets ridiculous to keep buying and storing MORE food. The real test will come with getting a Local Economy running and making do with what we have. Today I think we have enough for this population. Will we be able to farm and fish our way to subsistence on just what Alaska has to offer, will we be able to Trade some Oil with the state of Washington for some more food? I think we will, for a while at least. Maybe even to 2012, and I'll get to see TEOTWAWKI.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.
by wisconsin_cur » Sun 14 Dec 2008, 03:40:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '8')) How many five gallon plastic pails packed with food can you carry in say a Toyota Corolla? Leaving room for you the driver I think it is about ten. At 45lbs per pail can we get one persons food into one bug out load? I can see from this thread that my list can be improved on but I think the total volume would be about the same if I took 20 lbs less rice and replaced it with 20 lbs of sugar, molasses, spices,yeast and freeze dryed beef. A tiedyed VW bus loaded up might make quite the bug out mobile:)
Pre-position in a rural storage unit where ever it is that you plan to bug out to... problem solved.
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