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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 10:42:25

Deflation cannot be tolerated. Bernanke and the rest of guys know this better than we do. It's MANDATORY to create 'some' inflation at any cost in order for the system to function properly.

Expect it to rain from above and from below.
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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby IgnoranceIsBliss » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 11:09:24

Something is very wrong with a nation's economy when it has to hand out cash to keep things limping along.

The very idea of a "stimulus" is just nuts anyway.

It will go to all the wrong places and accomplish nothing.
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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby sittinguy » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 11:56:36

They should just send the flat screen and the bag of weed, directly to my house.. save me a trip out.
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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby TreeFarmer » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 11:59:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sittinguy', 'T')hey should just send the flat screen and the bag of weed, directly to my house.. save me a trip out.


You are willing to accept it still in the bag? You should demand that it be pre-rolled into cigaretts or pre-baked into brownies with your choice of regular or with nuts. COME ON MAN, THIS IS AMERICA WHERE THE GOVERNMENT DOES EVERYTHING FOR US!


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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 12:04:16

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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby Stratovarius » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 14:26:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'D')eflation cannot be tolerated. Bernanke and the rest of guys know this better than we do. It's MANDATORY to create 'some' inflation at any cost in order for the system to function properly.

Expect it to rain from above and from below.


Inflation might be happening a little too fast however.

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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 14:39:02

Bloomberg: Bush Is `Open to Idea' of Second Economic Stimulus link
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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 14:40:38

Stimulus originally meant goad or cattle prod. If you keep prodding the cow and it still doesn't move, at what point do you declare the beast dead?
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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby Stratovarius » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 14:48:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'S')timulus originally meant goad or cattle prod. If you keep prodding the cow and it still doesn't move, at what point do you declare the beast dead?


I don't know but the carcass smells worse and worse the longer you stand there like an idiot poking at something that died a long time ago.

So many great metaphors.
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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby jbrovont » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 15:39:41

They'd better knock this sh*t off quick fast.

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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 15:49:27

i'm beginning to think that the "bail-out" is not just about keeping the banks going. these f*ckers are bailing out the derivatives industry, also.

i think most of us would agree that it's legitimate to pay for a bail-out of the banks, starting somewhere - the statistic about the top 30 hedge fund managers in 2007 average salary being $500 million.

who sold credit default insurance ? AIG. who got bailed out ? AIG.

which mortgage backed securities is the government taking on ? the toxic ones.

what are the primary categories of credit derivatives ?
* mortgage backed securities
* credit default insurance
* "other"
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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby nobodypanic » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 15:54:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sittinguy', 'T')hey should just send the flat screen and the bag of weed, directly to my house.. save me a trip out.

well aren't you lucky. most people will probably end up using the stimulus on bills.
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they're trying to save christmas. :P at some point it must have dawned on these guys that simply using a top down approach wouldn't work, since the consumer is currently road kill, and he's 70% of the economy.
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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby Loki » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 16:35:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Fed chief suggested that Congress should include "measures to help improve access to credit by consumers, homebuyers, businesses and other borrowers."

Umm, wasn't access to easy credit one of the things that started this whole mess? I used my federal "stimulus" to pay my state taxes anyway, so it did exactly jack for my personal finances. Just a damn shell game.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sittinguy', 'T')hey should just send the flat screen and the bag of weed, directly to my house.. save me a trip out.

Ditto.
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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 16:46:18

Why don't they just send out a monthly stimulus? Then I could quit my job.

I am thinking maybe $1M a month to start, indexed to inflation. I also want 4 weeks paid vacation from not working, full medical and dental coverage and a Company Car and Gas Card. A Private Jet with a Cordon Bleu chef on board, female around 25 with gorgeous legs.

Hey, they give this to AIG Execs, and I don't lose money near as fast as they do! I am a much better risk here.

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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby mattduke » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 16:55:07

I'm partial to Peter Schiff's "modest proposal", whereby we are all issued debit cards which the government can recharge "as needed". It would be much more efficient than an endless series of one-offs.
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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 17:11:44

I've got a way better idea. This whole business, I give them money, they turn around and give it back to me, it's so inefficient. How bout we just cancel income taxes this year. That would be so much easier on everyone.
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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby frankthetank » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 17:13:26

Lets get this thing rolling. W is behind it, Obama wants it... I hope this one is a little "chunkier" then the last. I ate that up damn fast :)

Speaking of stimulus, i'm going to use mine to pay off the dentist. $1000 crown... Insurance picked up $424 of it :(
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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby UncoveringTruths » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 17:14:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')'ve got a way better idea. This whole business, I give them money, they turn around and give it back to me, it's so inefficient. How bout we just cancel income taxes this year. That would be so much easier on everyone.


The ones deserving a tax return then would be shafted.
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Re: Bernake wants another stimulus

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 17:27:22

We would need a new $150bn stimulus bill enacted and disbursed every month to match the amount of money that was lent through mortgage equity withdrawals near the height of the bubble. Yeah.

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Support growing for $1 Tril stimulus plus 600 bil per year

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 03:15:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- The one thing that isn’t shrinking in the U.S. economy these days is the size of the stimulus package that financial experts say is needed to turn it around.

With automobile sales dropping, payrolls plunging and manufacturing contracting, economists from across the political spectrum are raising the ante on how much the government should lay out. Some are now calling for at least a $1 trillion boost.

“They need a stimulus of $500-to-$600 billion a year for at least two years to counter what is going to be a collapse in consumption,” said Rogoff, a former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund.

That number may grow. This week brought news that the economy has been in recession for a year. Tomorrow the government will release November employment data, which economists say will show another 330,000 jobs lost, the most in seven years.

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