[vision-master]

The Groundwork Has Already Been Laid for Martial Law

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')uring his two terms in office, George W. Bush stepped outside the boundaries of the Constitution and assembled an amazing toolbox of powers that greatly increased the authority of the Executive branch and the reach of the federal government.

Bush expanded presidential power to, among other things, allow government agents to secretly open the private mail of American citizens; authorize government agents to secretly, and illegally, listen in on the phone calls of American citizens and read our e-mails; assume control of the federal government following a "catastrophic event"; and declare martial law.

Thus, the groundwork was laid for an imperial presidency and a potentially totalitarian government--a state of affairs that has not ended with Barack Obama's ascension to the Oval Office, despite hopes to the contrary that President Obama would fully restore the balance between government and its citizens to a pre-Bush status quo. As Charlie Savage reports in the New York Times, "Signs suggest that the administration's changes may turn out to be less sweeping than many had hoped or feared--prompting growing worry among civil liberties groups and a sense of vindication among supporters of Bush-era policies."

The fact is that the problem is bigger than Obama or any individual who occupies the White House. Indeed, once the government assumes expansive powers and crosses certain constitutional lines, it's almost impossible to pull back.

Just consider some of the lines that have already been crossed.

The local police have, in many regards, already evolved into de facto extensions of the military. Dressed like Darth Vader look-alikes, the police have opted for the SWAT-team dress formally adopted by the federal agencies. Congressional legislation allows the U.S. military, by way of the Pentagon, to train civilian police. The Pentagon has also provided local police with military equipment such as M-16 rifles, bayonets, boats, vehicles, surveillance equipment, chemical suits and flak jackets, among other items. Thus, they are armed to the teeth.

[SeaGypsy]

I just googled 'International Emergency Powers Act' & came up with 1.67 million references I don't have time to troll through.

Readings of emergency powers acts can come across as effectively:
"The State may 'in an emergency' take any and all steps in order to preserve the integrity on the State."
Most places in the developed world have this effective meaning; that when the State has determined an immediate and present direct threat from within it's borders, States rights will override Citizens rights in each and every case.

Down under, we have had all of our electronic data processed through a spy facility for close to a decade. That's digital phones, landlines& internet. This has resulted in some high profile arrests including those of a group of Jihadists planning to attack train stations in Jewish suburbs.

The purpose of this facility has slowly spread from National Security to International organized crime to the point where State Police may now be granted unlimited access in State prosecutions of State crimes.

There is a similar system operating in Europe for a few years.
I have heard the Government in the USA got in a lot of trouble as soon as they switched theirs on. However the system is in place, able to be kicked into action in an 'Emergency'.
Or so I believe.

[EndOfGrowth]

Martial Law FEMA Camp Drills In Oakland California New World Order Training


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks43WZftoqA

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'D')own under, we have had all of our electronic data processed through a spy facility for close to a decade. That's digital phones, landlines& internet.

There is a similar system operating in Europe for a few years.

[Micki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I') just googled 'International Emergency Powers Act' & came up with 1.67 million references I don't have time to troll through.

Readings of emergency powers acts can come across as effectively:
"The State may 'in an emergency' take any and all steps in order to preserve the integrity on the State."
Most places in the developed world have this effective meaning; that when the State has determined an immediate and present direct threat from within it's borders, States rights will override Citizens rights in each and every case.

Down under, we have had all of our electronic data processed through a spy facility for close to a decade. That's digital phones, landlines& internet. This has resulted in some high profile arrests including those of a group of Jihadists planning to attack train stations in Jewish suburbs.

The purpose of this facility has slowly spread from National Security to International organized crime to the point where State Police may now be granted unlimited access in State prosecutions of State crimes.

There is a similar system operating in Europe for a few years.
I have heard the Government in the USA got in a lot of trouble as soon as they switched theirs on. However the system is in place, able to be kicked into action in an 'Emergency'.
Or so I believe.

[Pops]

This topic is so yesterday.

Christ, don't you folks ever look up?

While you are worrying about TPTB blowing the dam, the water is rising around your feet.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')his topic is so yesterday.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'D')own under, we have had all of our electronic data processed through a spy facility for close to a decade. That's digital phones, landlines& internet.

There is a similar system operating in Europe for a few years.

[Micki]

Ordo Ab Chao

The police has gotten corrupt to and roudy to the point that the Mayor of Schenectady considers shutting down the police, declaring martial law and have military and national guard taking onb policing duties .....temporarily of course.
I guess the Posse Comitatus Act is just a God Damn piece of paper.
Seriouly Americans, how can you just watch this happen? Is it the fluoride?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')chenectady Police Chief Mark Chaires said, "This is unprecedented - all these officers getting in trouble at the same time for all these different reasons.

Five Schenectady police officers recently accused of everything from driving drunk to beating up a man are leading city officials to look at taking drastic action
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Mayor Stratton told us he's looking at all options, including disbanding the police department - basically starting over.



"It's something we're certainly looking into. I think the public has had it up to here," said the mayor.



Currently, officials are reviewing the legal options and planning to present a full report in early April - options like a consolidated county-wide police force or bringing in the State Police.


The mayor said there is another option - and that would be declaring martial law.

[Jotapay]

What a pussy. Just fire them and hire new ones, have the DA prosecute them.

[Micki]

That wouldn't get you a chance to trial run Martial Law though

[allmeyer]

"Seriouly Americans, how can you just watch this happen? Is it the fluoride?"

I think you're right. Either fluoride or high fructose corn syrup.

[MarkJ]

Schenectady had a police shortage problem a while back, so they pulled officers out of the schools.

I doubt many cops want to work in the bad sections of the Albany/Schenectady/Troy area, although they could probably make some bucks selling drugs, guns, shaking down dealers and selling protection.

[Jotapay]

They are talking about this right now on the radio. Evidently the Schenechtedy(sp?) police department has 165 officers. There are only 5 officers here that are doing the things they describe.

Why do they need to declare martial law over 5 officers?

[MarkJ]

Threatening to disband the police department, then bring in the State Police or National Guard is likely done to draw attention to the corruption, local crime and to serve as warning to existing officers.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ore than a dozen police officials, including the department's ex-chief, Gregory T. Kaczmarek, have been arrested and served jail time for various charges, some of which include giving drugs to an informant, giving a gun to a drug dealer and tipping off a target for a drug investigation. Several have been charged with driving while intoxicated, including Michael Brown, 27, who was arraigned in Colonie Town Court last week.

[Micki]

Isn't that what internal affairs are for?
And shouldn't a solution first be attempted by bringing in police from outside to investigate?
Wouldn't it even be preferable to bring in foreign investigators to look at the situation and recommend a course of action?
Serisously, what does the army or national guard know (even if they were permitted to) about upholding the law. They are good at protecting some property, setting up roadblocks and shooting down suspects fleeing the scene.

And doesn't this make you think about Detention Centers Bill HR645 which allows for detention camps for civilians on army bases.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11738579/Dete ... Bill-HR645

No matter how I turn and twist it the downfall of USA has been in the making for decades and the "elected" leaders have been instrumental in making this happen.
I can only see breakout from the union by the individual states as the potentially peaceful solution.
Every other path involves violence, rebellions or armed revolution. The last one being unlikely as there is no backbone in the majority or they have been lulled to sleep by, what is now clearly evident, biased media who have no interest in informing people about news that matter.



On a slightly different subject. I just watched Gods and Generals on DVD the other night and found it a truly inspirational piece. It gives more of a confederate view of the civila war. And I know you shouldn't take movies too seriously but if even half of it is true to history and character it shows how people back then had spine that was built on moral values and faith. So a really nice pep flick but not of the action kind.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', '
')It gives more of a confederate view of the civil war. And I know you shouldn't take movies too seriously but if even half of it is true to history and character it shows how people back then had spine that was built on moral values and faith.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'S')eriouly Americans, how can you just watch this happen? Is it the fluoride?

[Micki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', '
')It gives more of a confederate view of the civil war. And I know you shouldn't take movies too seriously but if even half of it is true to history and character it shows how people back then had spine that was built on moral values and faith.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', '
')Your point being something different to what I already stated?