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Re: Rep. Brad Sherman says Congress threatened with Martial

Unread postby Cashmere » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 13:38:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'A')re we certain the Honorable isn't confused? There is such a thing as congressional martial law, and it apparently was declared for the first vote. But that's not the same thing as executive martial law, it's just a device whereby they can push through a vote on this bill without allowing members to read the thing first.

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Rep Michael Burgess, apparently speaking right after Brad Sherman:
YouTube: Martial Law Declared In US Congress


Coyote - that was the first thing that I thought - the same confusion that Roc had about martial law.

This is why hearsay evidence is generally not admissible in court; if the original speakers were present, they might say, "yeah we were threatened with procedural martial law."
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Re: Congressmen talks of Martial Law

Unread postby IgnoranceIsBliss » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 14:22:25

Like my husband says "I don't care if the government taps my phone lines. I don't have anything to hide."

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What a dumb ass. And he's a member of Mensa, that high IQ society. You'd be amazed how many people agree with this type of thinking. After all, we haven't had another terrorist strike, so BushCo's policies are working great!
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Re: Congressmen talks of Martial Law

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 14:31:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grassland', 'T')hese neo cons are lunatics. We have got to vote Obama.


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Re: Congressmen talks of Martial Law

Unread postby Leanan » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 14:43:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', ' ')If you think there is any difference between them, you have a lot to learn.


I agree. Obama was 110% behind this stupid bailout for billionaires. He even had the gall to say the taxpayers would make money on the deal.

Christ on a cracker. If he really believes this is necessary to prevent a catastrophe, fine, but don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

I'm not voting for anyone who voted for this piece of crap, Obama included.

And look, the bailout is not working.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Though a financial rescue plan was passed Friday, credit still remained tighter than ever.
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Re: Rep. Brad Sherman says Congress threatened with Martial

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 19:12:54

Ah, I see.. yes, the second video link with the rep speaking after Sherman suggests they're going on about a parliamentary "martial law."

Although, Sherman did say "martial declared in America," not "Congress." He said in America.

But yes, of course it's hearsay with no fact checking. This is where the difference between blogging and professional journalism comes into play.

As Internet forum posters, we have neither the clout nor free time to do investigative reporting, get calls back, and be taken seriously.

Unfortunately, our nation's professional Journalists don't jump in to sort fact from fiction until the hearsay has already been thrown around the blogosphere a good while.
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Re: Rep. Brad Sherman says Congress threatened with Martial

Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 04 Oct 2008, 02:15:50

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"..a few members were even told that there would be martial law declared in America if we voted no."

This sounds like tin-foil stuff, but it was spoken on the House floor. What do you guys make of this?


There is something missing here. Who was telling them this in private conversations? The republicans?
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Re: Rep. Brad Sherman says Congress threatened with Martial

Unread postby jbrovont » Sat 04 Oct 2008, 04:37:59

I'm really interested in the who here too. It seemed like the republicans were the ones bucking the plan - so who exactly was breaking thumbs here?

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"..a few members were even told that there would be martial law declared in America if we voted no."

This sounds like tin-foil stuff, but it was spoken on the House floor. What do you guys make of this?


There is something missing here. Who was telling them this in private conversations? The republicans?
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Re: Rep. Brad Sherman says Congress threatened with Martial

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 04 Oct 2008, 05:31:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m really interested in the who here too. It seemed like the republicans were the ones bucking the plan - so who exactly was breaking thumbs here?


Well, the Treasury Dept. and the rest of the Administration are the ones pushing this bill.

It's possible this Rep. was exagerating, inflating parliamentary martial law into what he actually said -- "martial law in America."

But my gut reaction is that a lower level Representative let some private talk slip. The higher ups have had some slips of the tongue themselves -- i.e. Harry Reid's heads up that a "big name" insurance company is on the verge of busting.

Only way to get to the bottom of it is if some reporters dig into this.
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Thousands of Troops Are Ready Carry Out "Crowd Control&

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 09 Oct 2008, 19:09:51

[align=center]Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on U.S. Streets Ready to Carry Out "Crowd Control"

Members of Congress were told they could face martial law if they didn't pass the bailout bill. This will not be the last time.
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Background: the First Brigade of the Third Infantry Division, three to four thousand soldiers, has been deployed in the United States as of October 1. Their stated mission is the form of crowd control they practiced in Iraq, subduing "unruly individuals," and the management of a national emergency. I am in Seattle and heard from the brother of one of the soldiers that they are engaged in exercises now. Amy Goodman reported that an Army spokesperson confirmed that they will have access to lethal and non lethal crowd control technologies and tanks.

George Bush struck down Posse Comitatus, thus making it legal for military to patrol the U.S. He has also legally established that in the "War on Terror," the U.S. is at war around the globe and thus the whole world is a battlefield. Thus the U.S. is also a battlefield.

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Re: Thousands of Troops Are Ready Carry Out "Crowd Cont

Unread postby timmac » Sat 11 Oct 2008, 23:04:01

With thousands of our troops bog down in a 2 front war I bet there is not enough troops to go around and do what the OP has posted, Bush and the white house can make martial law but where will the military man power come from ???
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Re: Thousands of Troops Are Ready Carry Out "Crowd Cont

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Sat 11 Oct 2008, 23:56:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'W')ith thousands of our troops bog down in a 2 front war I bet there is not enough troops to go around and do what the OP has posted, Bush and the white house can make martial law but where will the military man power come from ???


The police...the ATF...the FBI...the DEA...the ICE...

It's not like it would be hard any more. These guys are just on stand-by in case any enclaves of resistance are better armed than the aforementioned alphabet soup can handle.
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Congressman Sherman Martial Law Update

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 21:22:46

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

I brought this topic up a couple weeks ago. I'm watching Glenn Beck right now, and he's doing a segmant on this comment.

Beck said his show called Sherman for an explanation and was told that the congressman is not speaking to reporters regarding this matter.

So, that's the word. No denial, no explanation that he was misunderstood -- just no comment.

Hm..
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Re: Congressman Sherman Martial Law Update

Unread postby miskatonic » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 22:38:47

Considering that the Dow did indeed fall by 22% on a yes vote and then rose again by 900+ points afterwards because people think the bail out will work. I think martial law was in the works and was a real possibility.

I consider the actions of congress to be worth if in hind sight. Imagine if they had voted no and defeated the bail out. We might have a few million zombies to deal with at the moment.
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Re: Congressman Sherman Martial Law Update

Unread postby Micki » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 23:09:52

You must understand the set-up.
A good set-up allows you to win no matter the outcome.
Just like Rothchild lent money to bothsides in a war with condition that if they win they also repay the losing sides loan.
Martial law -> Any action can be taken sidestepping congress->Benefits the international bankers.
->Bailout->defers martial law so this can be used later->benefits the international bankers.
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Re: Congressman Sherman Martial Law Update

Unread postby Leanan » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 12:10:26

America Has Died - To Thunderous Applause

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ere you told this was how Congress was browbeaten into passing this law? Were you told that Congress was essentially threatened that tanks would be deployed into our cities and towns if Congress did not pass this bad law that Paulson and Bernanke demanded?

Well, yes you were. Representative Sherman disclosed this fact in an impassioned speech in the Well of the House.

Did CNBC or CNN report that? No, but CSPAN did carry it.

If you watched.
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Re: Congressman Sherman Martial Law Update

Unread postby jazzguitar14 » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 12:16:33

The term Martial Law is frequently used in House lingo to denote a forced voting time frame. In the case of a few weeks ago, Pelosi's declration of martial law signified that the house would have to vote on some 1400 pages of documents that coming friday weithor or not they were ready to do so... I hope this is true...
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Re: Congressman Sherman Martial Law Update

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 12:45:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jazzguitar14', 'T')he term Martial Law is frequently used in House lingo to denote a forced voting time frame.


That's certainly not what he said. What he said was that they were told "The sky would fall", "the dow would drop 2 or 3000 points the first day and another couple thousand the second day", and "there would be martial law in America" if they voted no.

Declaring martial law in the House is a technique to force a vote without allowing the normal 24 hours for the members to read the legislation. He's not talking about martial law in the house being used to force a vote. He's talking about what's going to happen in America if they vote no.
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Re: Congressman Sherman Martial Law Update

Unread postby hope_full » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 13:18:01

Listen to the video on Youtube. Sherman is NOT talking about the Martial Law requiring a fast vote in Congress. He's clearly talking about the Martial Law that leaves us with tanks in American streets.

I also heard that spiel on Glenn Beck and I thought it was very odd that Sherman has gone silent. Real, real odd.
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Re: Congressman Sherman Martial Law Update

Unread postby RSFB » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 16:13:49

Here is some analysis on this: link.
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Re: Congressman Sherman Martial Law Update

Unread postby Micki » Thu 20 Nov 2008, 23:39:13

No Surprises here;

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Paulson Was Behind Bailout Martial Law Threat
Senator James Inhofe has revealed that Henry Paulson was behind the threats of martial law and a new great depression prior to the passage of the bailout bill
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Inhofe said that Paulson told members of Congress the crisis would be “far worse than the great depression” if Congress didn’t authorize the bill to buy out toxic debt, a proposal “which he abandoned the day after he got the money,” added Inhofe.

Inhofe is referring to the controversy last week when it emerged that the bailout money was not going to buy up toxic debt but instead Paulson, the former CEO of Goldman Sachs, had pulled a bait and switch and ordered the money be injected directly into banks.

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