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THE Hybrid Transportation Thread pt 2(merged)

How to save energy through both societal and individual actions.

Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 05 Jul 2007, 22:29:46

You don't see a lot of Prius cars or other hybrid vehicles here in Alaska.....the local vehicle of choice is the pick-up truck and the SUV.

When I see a Prius, I always think it looks kinda reedy and small.

But if it will go 100 mph I might have to look at buying one!!!!! 8)
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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby azreal60 » Thu 05 Jul 2007, 22:37:37

*Sigh*

So, the point of this story is?

Other than to poke at people who venerate al gore, I mean, really, what's the point?
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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 05 Jul 2007, 23:15:28

Nope the Prius is a mid-sized car and it has some get up and go.

Funny thing is, if you do a pedal-to-the-firewall acceleration, it will sort of pause and "gather itself" before accelerating, some find this annoying, I see it as like a horse, gathering itself before a jump etc.

Sadly, no matter how much you drive like a hippy grandma most of the time, driving in US traffic requires some 'aggro" at times.
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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 05:26:37

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/black-sheep/al-gore-iii/


While I'm not surprised, I am very disgusted that everyone's personal information has been made so public these days. It's public enough for you or I or anyone on the internet to get information on anyone with just their name. In this case, folks have already done research on Al Gore II, given he's the son of someone who's high profile. This above was linked from one of those blogs.

Information of this sort used to be limited to the individual cities, counties, and states from which it originated which greatly enhanced a person's privacy. But the Federal Government and the corporates just wouldn't have us all enjoying a degree of privacy any longer...
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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 10:38:25

If a tree falls in the woods after a 100mph collison with a Al Gore III's Prius, and the press is not around to hear it-does a pundit make a sound?
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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 12:07:12

Is a hybrid still considered "earth-friendly" if its going 100 mph, or is it emitting amounts of pollution similar to a truck or SUV going 55mph? 8)
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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 12:54:07

"The hybrid hot rod"

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... ome-center

Police say the hybrid was actually going 105 mph. :!:
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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 12:59:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'I')nformation of this sort used to be limited to the individual cities, counties, and states from which it originated which greatly enhanced a person's privacy. .



Information on arrests etc. has always been made open and public in the U.S.

The U.S. doesn't have secret courts, secret detention and secret trials of US citizens.....the U.S. constitution mandates that all legal and judicial proceedings done openly in public in order to protect US citizens from government abuse. 8)
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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 13:47:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'I')nformation of this sort used to be limited to the individual cities, counties, and states from which it originated which greatly enhanced a person's privacy. .



Information on arrests etc. has always been made open and public in the U.S.

The U.S. doesn't have secret courts, secret detention and secret trials of US citizens.....the U.S. constitution mandates that all legal and judicial proceedings done openly in public in order to protect US citizens from government abuse. 8)


Plantmagnet wake up! You think this is still 1982 or something.
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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 14:19:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', ' ')You think this is still 1982 or something.


Nope. It's 2007--- a grand year for "excessive" heatwaves and terror doctors and the hot rod Prius! 8)
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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 17:48:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')The U.S. doesn't have secret courts, secret detention and secret trials of US citizens.....the U.S. constitution mandates that all legal and judicial proceedings done openly in public in order to protect US citizens from government abuse. 8)


And delusions.
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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 18:40:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')s a hybrid still considered "earth-friendly" if its going 100 mph, or is it emitting amounts of pollution similar to a truck or SUV going 55mph?


The worst fuel economy which the folks at Mulholland Raceway have been able to obtain with one were just shy over 35 mpg, and that included plenty of 90-105 mph aggressive driving on the highway.

Air drag force varies as a square of the velocity and power to overcome air drag varies as a cuve of the velocity. Accounting for a better engine operating point from increased load at higher speeds, the math on this figure really works out.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nformation on arrests etc. has always been made open and public in the U.S.


Yeah, if you were willing to take the effort to go out and get it yourself. With the method by which databases are currently used, that is now gone. The fact that records used to be kept on paper with few(if any) duplicates ever made allowed far more privacy than anything we have today.

There is all this talk about everyone having to take responsibility for their actions by our politicians, corporate executives, and military leaders, yet they show in comparison a lack of responsibility for the damage caused by their own misuse and abuse of these records kept, even when this misuse happens to be the root cause of problems many people experience in their lives and problems society faces.

It would not surprise me in the least if the lack of privacy and trust is the root cause of so many personality disorders found within my generation. People need to be people, not industrial equipment. When people realize how they are truly being treated and exploited, it should not surprise anyone when they go out and committ massacres of innocent people or decide to game the system by becoming criminals themselves.

Too bad. Here's to hoping some of the fallout finally affects those who are directly responsible for keeping society focused on this dangerous status quo.

No, making people take meds does not solve the root cause of the problem.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he U.S. doesn't have secret courts, secret detention and secret trials of US citizens.....


Heh. The INS already has had all three. And that's just the INS, nevermind the CIA, NSA, HSA and other bureacracies. I won't even bother wasting my time delving into two or three more publically accessable examples of these things: I could write a 50 page essay on this matter with the facts to prove it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he U.S. constitution mandates that all legal and judicial proceedings done openly in public in order to protect US citizens from government abuse.


But it does not permit mass production and distribution of this information. In fact, the technology for this did not even exist when the constitution was written and the intent of our founding fathers was to make the documents accessable in times where there was probable cause to access them, not when any and every bureaucrat, executive, or general with a chip on their shoulder saw fit to access whatever they pleased.
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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 19:57:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he U.S. doesn't have secret courts, secret detention and secret trials of US citizens.....


Heh. The INS already has had all three. And that's just the INS, nevermind the CIA, NSA....


The INS doesn't have jurisdiction over American citizens, except for criminals who are criminally involved with trafficking illegal aliens.

The full suite of protections given to American citizens under the US Constitution are not automatically extended to enemy soldiers in a war or to POWs or others captured in a war or to illegal aliens who break our laws by crossing our borders or even to US citizens who are felons.
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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 03:20:45

The Prius has a built in "governor" that stops it from going any faster then 112 mph, and the highest speed that professional auto testers get from it is 105 mph.....exactly the same as Al Gore, Jr. got.

http://www.slate.com/id/2169925/

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Re: Going 100 mph in a hybrid Prius!!

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 03:52:39

On the radio they said 103 is the limit.

Who knows, I think I may have touched 80 once....
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general hybrid car advice?

Unread postby Ronny88 » Tue 31 Jul 2007, 21:32:01

Hey there,

I am looking to buy my first hybrid car, but have really no idea about where to go for the best infromation. Frankly, the more general the information, the better - as I really have no clue what I'm doing! The only resource on hybrids and other fuel-efficient cars that I've found that is as general as I would like is http://fuelfriendlycars.com but I would like some other hybrid car resources as well. Any suggestions? Thanks -

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Re: general hybrid car advice?

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 31 Jul 2007, 21:43:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ronny88', 'H')ey there,

I am looking to buy my first hybrid car, but have really no idea about where to go for the best infromation. Frankly, the more general the information, the better - as I really have no clue what I'm doing! The only resource on hybrids and other fuel-efficient cars that I've found that is as general as I would like is http://fuelfriendlycars.com but I would like some other hybrid car resources as well. Any suggestions? Thanks -

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IMO and by far a lot of people disagree with me on this, but if you insist on a hybrid stay away from the GM models, they are less of a price jump but far less of a MPG improvement. I would stick with Honda or Toyota, but thats because I am interested in quality over quantity.

Realistically you are better off buying a 10 year old honda/toyota and having your trusted mechanic do a full bumper to bumper workover on it, it won't cost nearly as much and the fuel savings compared to an SUV are tremendous.
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Re: general hybrid car advice?

Unread postby WisJim » Tue 31 Jul 2007, 22:02:06

One of the top hybrid car dealers is in LaCrosse, WI:
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Personally, I like the Honda Insight (best overall gas mileage), or the Toyota Prius. The larger hybrids, hybrid trucks, and SUVs are all pretty much a joke.

A good site on fuel efficient vehicles: link
Our 2000 Chevy Metro gets 40 to 50 mpg, and isn't a hybrid. My son has a 1992 Honda VX (also not a hybrid), and his average is approaching 50mpg, for long term average. Of course, the car companies don't make either of these cars any more, only ones with poorer fuel efficiency. Just considering dollars and cents (sense), an older small car is a better investment than a new hybrid.
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Re: general hybrid car advice?

Unread postby Blacksmith » Tue 31 Jul 2007, 22:09:31

The thing that makes me warry of hybrids is the fact they are :

(1) Geared to stop and go traffic.

(2) Have batteries that will in three to four years require replacing at some cost.

Personally I would rather see desiels with some of the innovations used on hybrids.
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