[Jotapay]

Watch the documentary about Fox News if you haven't seen it.

http://www.outfoxed.org/
http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Outfoxed_R ... m/70002668
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418038/

It's good.

[HeckuvaJob]

AgentR - comparing one corporate news network to another is like comparing rotten apples with rotten apples. I would encourage you to try some independent news sources. I've listed my favorites in this thread here

[HeckuvaJob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'W')atch the documentary about Fox News if you haven't seen it. It's good.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', 'I')f you liked OutFoxed Jotapay, check out the ongoing project it gave birth to: Newshounds - We Watch Fox So You Don't Have To

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', 'A')gentR - comparing one corporate news network to another is like comparing rotten apples with rotten apples. I would encourage you to try some independent news sources.

[PrestonSturges]

Propaganda for fucktards, and increasingly peddling classic paranoid gambits lifted word for word from Mein Kampf.

They use a lot of White Supremacist themes and code words. And they are pretty much openly rooting for Obama to be assassinated.

Assassination seems to be the GOP's best last hope.

Jon Stewart and Colbert get a lot of mileage out of just running unedited clips of Fox which the audience finds extremely funny (but also scary).

[AgentR]

I wish you guys could get your stories straight... Now if you could only managed to realize that CNN and BBC are as propaganda laden as Fox, you'd be making some progress.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'I') wish you guys could get your stories straight... Now if you could only managed to realize that CNN and BBC are as propaganda laden as Fox, you'd be making some progress.

[Plantagenet]

Every media news show is biased. I watch the PBS News Hour pretty regularly. Its biased towards the left, but I know that and allow for it, and at least it doesn't have any annoying commericals.

[Caffeine]

American news media is pathetic, whether slanted to "left" or "right."

For example, why does it mostly only cover:
a) news in America
b) news related to whichever country America is currently invading?

Occasionally it will mention Canada or Mexico. Maybe China, on an economic channel. Good luck getting it to mention anything in any other part of the world.

Meanwhile, if I flip the channel to a non-US news station, I can see weather reports for most major cities on the planet, and watch a news item about China making deals for mining rights with African governments in exchange for building some infrastructure.

[ian807]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', ' ') I have never seen CNN acknowledge its liberal viewpoint,

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', ' ') I have never seen CNN acknowledge its liberal viewpoint,

[ian807]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', ' ')Why is it so hard for you folks to admit that all of the available large media sources have significant biases in their reporting ?

Get over yourselves.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', ' ') I have never seen CNN acknowledge its liberal viewpoint,

[Plantagenet]

Here is a report on the DailyKos ripping CNN for its bias

CNN Bias on display

Don't read the link, Ian. You should discount it because its not on CNN so its not completely objective. Only CNN is perfectly objective and unbiased (or so you claim)

OOooops! CNN shown to be biased again.

kos says CNN manipulates viewers with bias

But since CNN doesn't say its biased, then it can't be biased since it isn't biased, right Ian?

[rangerone314]

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_the_West
(by Oswald Spengler, 1st published in 1918!!
Spengler asserts that democracy is simply the political weapon of money, and the media is the means through which money operates a democratic political system
....
Democracy and plutocracy are equivalent in Spengler's argument. The "tragic comedy of the world-improvers and freedom-teachers" is that they are simply assisting money to be more effective. The principles of equality, natural rights, universal suffrage, and freedom of the press are all disguises for class war (the bourgeois against the aristocracy). Freedom, to Spengler, is a negative concept, simply entailing the repudiation of any tradition. In reality, freedom of the press requires money, and entails ownership, thus serving money at the end. Suffrage involves electioneering, in which the donations rule the day. The ideologies espoused by candidates, whether Socialism or Liberalism, are set in motion by, and ultimately serve, only money. "Free" press does not spread free opinion—it generates opinion, Spengler maintains.
....
Spengler's analysis of democratic systems argues that even the use of one's own constitutional rights requires money, and that voting can only really work as designed in the absence of organized leadership working on the election process. As soon as the election process becomes organized by political leaders, to the extent that money allows, the vote ceases to be truly significant. It is no more than a recorded opinion of the masses on the organizations of government over which they possess no positive influence whatsoever.

Spengler notes that the greater the concentration of wealth in individuals, the more the fight for political power revolved around questions of money. One cannot even call this corruption or degeneracy, because this is in fact the necessary end of mature democratic systems.

On the subject of the press, Spengler is equally as contemptuous. Instead of conversations between men, the press and the "electrical news-service keep the waking-consciousness of whole people and continents under a deafening drum-fire of theses, catchwords, standpoints, scenes, feelings, day by day and year by year." Through the media, money is turned into force—the more spent, the more intense its influence.

For the press to function, universal education is necessary. Along with schooling comes a demand for the shepherding of the masses, as an object of party politics. Those that originally believed education to be solely for the enlightenment of each individual prepared the way for the power of the press, and eventually for the rise of the Caesar. There is no longer a need for leaders to impose military service, because the press will stir the public into a frenzy, clamor for weapons, and force their leaders into a conflict.

The only force which can counter money, in Spengler's estimation, is blood. As for Marx, his critique of capitalism is put forth in the same language and on the same assumptions as those of Adam Smith. His protest is more a recognition of capitalism's veracity, than a refutation. The only aim is to "confer upon
objects the advantage of being subjects."

Any thoughts on this? We have a fair # of smart people on this site (as well as a few idiots or wingnuts) so I'm curious to see if anyone can rebut Spengler here. It is amazing how spot on he is considering his opinion was nearly a hundred years ago and it is almost like he watched CNN and FoxNews

[dinopello]

CNN is biased toward pompous blowhards whose heads might explode any second

[TheDude]

Ugh, why watch any of this crap? Only thing attractive about any TV news is the NILFs.

[AlexdeLarge]

The idiots here on the left missed the point again.

“The genius of Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes was to have discovered a niche market in American broadcasting — half the American people.”

Half the population of this country is conservative and have been looking for news without the obvious bias of the left on almost all of the other major media outlets. They prefer their bias to the right! Smart marketing on Murdochs part!

You would think that Americans would at least prefer "one" news outlet that is not totally in the tank for Obama.....................talk about being stupid and uninformed!

[Jotapay]

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