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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 13:29:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '[')i]The idiots here on the left missed the point again.

“The genius of Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes was to have discovered a niche market in American broadcasting — half the American people.”

Half the population of this country is conservative and have been looking for news without the obvious bias of the left on almost all of the other major media outlets. They prefer their bias to the right! Smart marketing on Murdochs part!

You would think that Americans would at least prefer "one" news outlet that is not totally in the tank for Obama.....................talk about being stupid and uninformed! ;)



Its always good for a laugh to put CNN on for a few minutes, and then put Fox on for a few minutes.

As Oswald Spengler knew, the press doesn't not exist to INFORM public opinion, in exists to CREATE public opinion.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby ian807 » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 13:34:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')But since CNN doesn't say its biased, then it can't be biased since it isn't biased, right Ian? :roll:


Wow. Maybe you should go back and read my first post on the subject.

CNN is biased. Yes, they are all biased. Yes, we are all as human beings, biased. Thank you all and I hope you all enjoyed your visit from Captain Obvious.

The point was, "it depends on your point of view."

As a more practical matter, "news" is now politically themed entertainment, designed to distract, not enlighten. The corporations that own both sides keep us fighting each other, and ignoring the idiocy of the powerful and wealthy.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 13:39:30

I'd have to say any network that gives unlimited airtime to Dick "Private Citizen" Cheney and his halfwit daughter to spout off unchallenged leans pretty heavily to the right.

Plus they give endless airtimes to has-beens like Newt, DeLay and any other unemployable wingnut that wanders off the street.

And during the campaign, they certainly weren't shy about making instant celebrities of any inbred WV parolee that wanted to call Obama a Muslim.

Nor did they challenge McCain on well much of anything.

So yes CNN leans pretty hard right for the most part.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby AgentR » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 13:39:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'S')o tell me, which news service outside of the USA do you think *doesn't* have a liberal bias?


Fox doesn't, thats inside though.

Outside examples, I'd suggest The Jerusalem Post and Xinhua as not having a liberal bias. They have their own biases of course. Of all external sources, Xinhua strikes me as the most neutral on the liberal / conservative axis; though very biased in terms of the national interests of the PRC.

I'd love to play the "name that baddie" game with you more, but dragging names out of my creaky old brain is a tortuous exercise that I'd prefer to avoid as much as possible.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby AgentR » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 13:44:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'I')'d have to say any network that gives unlimited airtime to Dick "Private Citizen" Cheney and his halfwit daughter to spout off unchallenged leans pretty heavily to the right.


You conclusion doesn't follow from the stated evidence.

They put Cheney on in order for their target audience to jeer at him.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 13:44:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
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Its always good for a laugh to put CNN on for a few minutes, and then put Fox on for a few minutes.

As Oswald Spengler knew, the press doesn't not exist to INFORM public opinion, in exists to CREATE public opinion.



It's best when you can catch Romney back to back. On Fox he's breathing fire about Obama the Socialist, and on CNN he's talking about bipartisanship.

Which to me shows less about "bias" and more about spoon feeding the Fox audience and the total cynicism of GOP politicians, Fox, and their sideshow geeks in how they treat the Fox audience.

But hey, somebody has to be the sucker at the poker table. Remember how as recently as christmas, Fox was telling their audience about the rosy economy and buying more stocks?
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby Maddog78 » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 13:59:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '[')img]http://forum.cncreneclips.com/style_emoticons/cncre/sheep.gif[/img]

Ugh, why watch any of this crap? Only thing attractive about any TV news is the NILFs.



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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby AgentR » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 14:02:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'B')ut hey, somebody has to be the sucker at the poker table. Remember how as recently as christmas, Fox was telling their audience about the rosy economy and buying more stocks?


Some bought financials, held through the bottom, and have tripled their investment on the profit taking.

Feels good to feel guilty sometimes!
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 14:24:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')nb... I'm not a fan of FOX, nor CNN, nor the BBC, nor the print media. I wouldn't trust any of them with a busted up tin cup.


It's a matter of degree. It's not fair to just lump all the news channels into one basket. Aside from Chris Matthews I am not aware of anyone who is uber-liberal on CNN. So if it's a liberal bias, it's a relatively mild one compared to Fox. Fox directs its troops to be ideological drones pushing a certain agenda with a few token libs to use here and there as whippingboys.

Remember that Fox issues a daily "propaganda memo" for every day's broadcast that the commentators are supposed to push. That's pretty damn deliberate on their part.

Expose from 2003:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')"The fact is," Reina wrote, "daily life at FNC is all about management politics." Reina said that Fox's daily news coverage -- and its daily news bias -- is driven by an "editorial note" sent to the newsroom every morning by John Moody, a Fox senior vice president. The editorial note -- a memo posted on Fox's computer system -- tells the staff which correspondents are working on which stories. But frequently, Reina says, it also contains hints, suggestions and directives on how to slant the day's news -- invariably, he says, in a way that's consistent with the politics and desires of the Bush administration.


Fox (and conservative talk radio) is largely responsible for driving journalism towards the ideological poles and lowering the bar on journalism. So you get Air America and Democracy Now as a kind of counterweight to Fox News. I don't particularly think any ideologically extreme outlet should be where people go for the news. It's too much tunnel vision, almost cultlike to do this. That's why I also kind of shy away from Energy Bulletin and the other "all doom all the time" news outlets. If they have a singular viewpoint, even if it's one that I share, then it's going to be biased and I am not getting the full story, warts and all.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 14:37:48

MSNBC -- Biased Liberal ChristianS
Fox - Biased Republican ChristianS
CNN -- Biased Rich Christians
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 14:46:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'B')ut hey, somebody has to be the sucker at the poker table. Remember how as recently as christmas, Fox was telling their audience about the rosy economy and buying more stocks?


Some bought financials, held through the bottom, and have tripled their investment on the profit taking.

Feels good to feel guilty sometimes!


Not according to the Fox advertisers for payday loans, hocking gold jewelry, or fighting the IRS.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby Aaron » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 14:59:16

Everybody wants to rule the world.

Duh...

Just view the world through Peak colored glasses and you can see the reality of the news regardless of spin.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby mefistofeles » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 15:00:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he Colbert Report has the most well-informed audience in the country.


That's frightening should I give up hope now or later?
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 15:01:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mefistofeles', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he Colbert Report has the most well-informed audience in the country.


That's frightening should I give up hope now or later?


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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 15:01:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mefistofeles', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he Colbert Report has the most well-informed audience in the country.


That's frightening should I give up hope now or later?


He and John Stewart are the most truthful 'news' shows on cable. What's so hard to believe?
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 15:26:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mefistofeles', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he Colbert Report has the most well-informed audience in the country.


That's frightening should I give up hope now or later?


He and John Stewart are the most truthful 'news' shows on cable. What's so hard to believe?


They run clips of Fox news and then debunk it as total propaganda.

Studies show that people are vulnerable to absorbing information from outlets like Snopes in a totally ass-backwards fashion, convincing themselves that the origional hoax has been proven and not actually debunked.

The fact that people score well watching the comedy channel is that they know that whatever they hear on Fox is false, and that they can believe the opposite and laugh at fox without trying sort the "fair and balanced" false equivalence.

That is to say that for the people that are best informed the algebra has been simplified to Fox = BS
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby mefistofeles » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 15:46:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e and John Stewart are the most truthful 'news' shows on cable. What's so hard to believe?


Which is exactly what scares me! The world is alot more complicated than what you see on foxnews or the Colbert report. Colbert touches works on the periphery of truth. If you really want to understand what's really happening you need to go sources that are simply too difficult for most people to read or understand.

For example I use zerohedge.com for my financial news the and although the stories are good, it's probably too complicated for any without a background in finance or economics to understand. GSEreport.com is another site with lots of information about the financial, but again its material that's too complicated for most people to read.

Even peakoil,isn't something that you can understand by watching a four minute peace on Colbert. To even understand peakoil you have to spend a few hours researching the pro's and cons.

To be informed citizens it takes alot more than watching a comedy show for five minutes. It takes real work and its something that people aren't able to do. The reason why society succeeds or fails is because of the people who populate it. We live in a world that's much more complicated than the one presented on the Daily Show or the Colbert show. I have to admit these shows are great for entertainment and even the odd bit of political satire but they're not good truly educating and enlightening people.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 16:19:00

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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 16:39:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mefistofeles', '
')To be informed citizens it takes alot more than watching a comedy show for five minutes.


The problem is that real nuts and bolts information, except for maybe 60 minutes, doesn't get ratings. If it won't get ratings, it won't get broadcast unless it's PBS or NPR, CSPAN, or cable access. For all of the 24/7 news we've got, we have much less real insight into the world around us because all that time is filled up with political analysts who babble like they are bookies predicting the outcome of a baseball game or the next celebrity wardrobe malfunction. All sound and fury signifying nothing. The reason the Jon Stewart skewering of Cramer was such a landmark event was that Stewart, a comedian, decided to break format and act like an investigative journalist. Instead of just using Cramer for some fleeting topical humor and moving on to the next gag, he wouldn't let Cramer off the hook. He dragged Cramer into the studio and was pretty serious and substantive with him for a while. This is the kind of thing we need more of, not punchlines. Just like a lot of other things in our lives, we don't value authenticity anymore, not even the intelligentsia. We only pursue what makes us feels good. People like Colbert and Stewart, or the Onion, South Park, they are like opiates for the masses. We already feel hopelessly impotent, so we rely on satire as a coping mechanism. We laugh instead of trying to improve things. The same could be said for talkbacks and forums. We dump our rants into the internet instead of being agents of change.
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