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Re: chess

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 11 Feb 2010, 03:10:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '[')b]Development is important!

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=30302917 8)


Man, that didn't look like a 1900 level game. You walked all over that guy. He was on the run from the 4th move on.

Liked the opening. It had "doom" written all over it.
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Re: chess

Unread postby MD » Thu 11 Feb 2010, 09:41:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '[')b]Development is important!

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=30302917 8)


Man, that didn't look like a 1900 level game..


That's what I was thinking too. I'm not familiar with chess.com's ratings system, but I do know that a lot of online ratings methodologies don't line up with FIDE very well.

To be fair, Narz sure put it to him like a 1900 player
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Re: chess

Unread postby Narz » Thu 11 Feb 2010, 17:52:13

The ratings are very inflated (by around 300-500 points I'd say). My high was over 2300 but I had over 20 games at once & didn't have home internet for a long stretch (over two months) so I resigned almost all of them.

I've got a real life tournament coming up this weekend, if I play any particularly good (or bad but instructive) games I'll post them. :)
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Re: chess

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 11 Feb 2010, 19:13:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'T')o be fair, Narz sure put it to him like a 1900 player


Yeah, he had all the good moves. I liked that knight-capture-pawn-threaten-mate situation that Narz really rammed hard.

I've got this chess engine I play all the time called Delfi Trainer which was designed to mimic human play and which you can set to any elo level from 900 up to 2300. I don't know how accurate the elo settings of the game are. I usually play it at 1700 and can only beat it occasionally at 1800. But I'm not really all that serious about playing. I should start going to the St. Pete Chess Club again so that I can get that raised-hackles feeling you only get when you're playing against another person.

I would guess that Delfi Trainer, set at around 1400 - 1500, would beat the moves that Narz opponent was making.
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Re: chess

Unread postby Narz » Fri 12 Feb 2010, 00:29:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', ' ')I should start going to the St. Pete Chess Club again so that I can get that raised-hackles feeling you only get when you're playing against another person.

You definitely should! Nothing quite like live games (especially tournament play, IMO)! :)
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Re: chess

Unread postby anador » Fri 12 Feb 2010, 04:56:16

what is that original screenshot btw aldente?
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Re: chess

Unread postby pablonite » Fri 12 Feb 2010, 11:02:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', ' ')I should start going to the St. Pete Chess Club again so that I can get that raised-hackles feeling you only get when you're playing against another person.

You definitely should! Nothing quite like live games (especially tournament play, IMO)! :)

Yup, it is a different game. The pace of your play, your demeanour, body language...you can really freak your opponent out, Bobby Fischer was notorious for running psy-ops on his opponents.

And, yeah, what was up with your opponent in that game Narz? You can't go starting a Queenside pawn roller before you castle? He also lost tempo with that pointless bishop maneuver, a rank amateur mistake that early in the game.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'A')nother fine example of why I never respond to e4 with c5.

C5 is the best move against the E4 opening, statistically speaking. You should spend some time looking at that if you want to improve your game a notch or two.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Sicilian Defence is a chess opening that begins with the moves:

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As a rule of thumb, d4 for white usually leads to a closed game where e4 leads to an open game. c5 is the best deployment against e4 for the obvious reason to stop d4 on the next move. If your white and you manage to get your pawns to e4 and d4 without any problem in the opening your playing an amateur.
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Re: chess

Unread postby Narz » Tue 16 Feb 2010, 01:24:14

Just won a decent sized tournament (29 players, 6 higher rated than me) with 4.5 out of 5.

I posted a couple of new videos based on a couple of my games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpxl3UuYLgs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-cFsqd-zrI
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Re: chess

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 16 Feb 2010, 01:59:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', 'T')he pace of your play, your demeanour, body language...you can really freak your opponent out, Bobby Fischer was notorious for running psy-ops on his opponents.


I'm quite fond of wetting my opponent with a squirt gun under the table aimed at his crotch. It really ruins his concentration.
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Re: chess

Unread postby MD » Tue 16 Feb 2010, 04:55:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', 'T')he pace of your play, your demeanour, body language...you can really freak your opponent out, Bobby Fischer was notorious for running psy-ops on his opponents.


I'm quite fond of wetting my opponent with a squirt gun under the table aimed at his crotch. It really ruins his concentration.


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Re: chess

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 16 Feb 2010, 15:23:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', 'T')he pace of your play, your demeanour, body language...you can really freak your opponent out, Bobby Fischer was notorious for running psy-ops on his opponents.


I'm quite fond of wetting my opponent with a squirt gun under the table aimed at his crotch. It really ruins his concentration.


I'll remember that.


En guarde! (And wear a diaper!)
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Re: chess

Unread postby pablonite » Wed 17 Feb 2010, 00:42:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', 'T')he pace of your play, your demeanour, body language...you can really freak your opponent out, Bobby Fischer was notorious for running psy-ops on his opponents.


I'm quite fond of wetting my opponent with a squirt gun under the table aimed at his crotch. It really ruins his concentration.


I'll remember that.


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No joke, they took it all right serious when Fischer when toe to toe with the Ruskies during the height of the cold war, it's the very nature of chess. Nice logo eh! :lol:
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Re: chess

Unread postby pablonite » Wed 17 Feb 2010, 16:19:19

Heh, looks like their slogan incorporates a sense of humor too!

http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2008/09/p ... ndise.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')erhaps the most impressive online store has been created by 5th PSYOP Battalion who have created their own custom products and images.

For those wanting something a bit more official looking, one online store has the patches for virtually every US PSYOP battalion.

In fact, CafePress seems to have a large number of PSYOP related merchandise although it's obviously a mixture of military memorabilia and civilian creations who just want to use PSYOP images for its hipster value.

On the more disturbing end of the scale, t-shirts with the slogan "PSYOP: Because Physical Wounds Heal" seem to be regularly featured on EBay.

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Re: chess

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Thu 18 Feb 2010, 00:48:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')trategies for Beating Computers
Opening choices against a master Tactician

When faced with a master tactician one should try to avoid open positions, where simplistic strategies of centralisation, and tactical awareness predominate. Openings that tend to lead to 'quiet' positions are to be preferred against computers...


What I want to know is why they call them "quiet" when those are the ones that can blow up suddenly.


I used to play a lot of tournament chess and favored quiet positions, so I'll take a whack at this.

You're right that such positions can blow up suddenly (big time). However, that is generally either due to:

1). Incompetence. I had this problem a lot until I got my rating over about 1800. Used to let my oppenent squirm out of the box by allowing a closed position to become a bit too open, and giving them a tactical shot. (Would tend to REALLY piss me off...)

2). Skill. A relatively strong player uses changing the NATURE of the position (when it's to his advantage) as a powerful weapon. (My opening play was weak, as I hated memorizing stuff. Thus, my play generally got steadily stronger as play progressed, as engames were all logical principles to me and I loved studying them. It's almost shameful how many games I won where a weaker opponent had outplayed me in the opening -- by me sacrificing a piece to change the nature of the position and take him out of his "book" theory/knowledge. Generally, when reviewing such games with them, a "C" (solid club level) player wouldn't even fully realize what had happened.
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Re: chess

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Thu 18 Feb 2010, 01:02:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', '
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http://simonwaters.technocool.net/Chess.htm

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')trategies for Beating Computers
Opening choices against a master Tactician

When faced with a master tactician one should try to avoid open positions, where simplistic strategies of centralisation, and tactical awareness predominate. Openings that tend to lead to 'quiet' positions are to be preferred against computers...


I wrote a couple of fairly unique chess programs in the early 80's (they played like human club players - saccing pieces and taking chances - LOADS of fun to tinker with the evaluation algorithms). Developed an interest and have followed the whole computer chess scene and read a lot about it since.

In the past 5 years or so, it's gotten so that even when strong human grandmasters play computers -- they either steer into quiet / theoretical types of positions, or generally get TROUNCED at some point by a strong tactical shot by the computer. The best engines are just tactical MONSTERS now, even at the grandmaster level.

This was becoming evident even when Deep Blue beat Kasparov. Whenever Kasparov dared to play an aggressive tactical game is when he tended to get into trouble. When he played quiet games where he got a spacial advantage and ground the computer down, either Deep Blue had no clue what was really going on -- or it knew (according to its analysis) but didn't know how to deal with it.

Sadly, I expect that in another 5 years or so, these matches are going to approach 100% computer victories as a normal result. (Rather harder on the ego than having a crane being stronger than you...)
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Re: chess

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 18 Feb 2010, 02:27:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'I')n the past 5 years or so, it's gotten so that even when strong human grandmasters play computers -- they either steer into quiet / theoretical types of positions, or generally get TROUNCED at some point by a strong tactical shot by the computer...


Rybka is amazing. Have you seen that one play? It was programmed by a grandmaster. It plays beautiful chess.
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Re: chess

Unread postby Carlhole » Wed 24 Feb 2010, 18:06:29

I've been over at the St. Pete Chess Club the last couple of playing days. I'm doing better than I thought I would against a couple of the better players over there. Put a nasty bite on one of them today in a tactical flourish, very quick game. Then played a very good blunderless game.

That's my big problem - dumbass blunders. It's from not playing people enough and playing too much computer chess (where I frequently take back my blunder moves). Bad habit.

Hey Narz, did you ever learn how to play blindfold chess? That's something I wish I could do.

Winboard has a feature for it in settings. I'm trying to play blindfold against "Chad's Chess", one of the weakest chess engines out there. Beginner level. But the main point is trying to visualize the changing board in my mind. they say that when you finally learn how to do it, it easy to play multiple games without even looking at the board. Seems incredible to me.
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Re: chess

Unread postby Narz » Thu 25 Feb 2010, 11:56:43

Never played a full game of blindfold chess, I can get to maybe move 8 or 9 at the most.
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Re: chess

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 25 Feb 2010, 12:15:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'N')ever played a full game of blindfold chess, I can get to maybe move 8 or 9 at the most.

Sounds like me, tried to play "mind chess" without a board with the chess club faculty advisor but we didn't get much further than 8 or 9 moves either.
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Re: chess

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 25 Feb 2010, 14:19:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'N')ever played a full game of blindfold chess, I can get to maybe move 8 or 9 at the most.

Sounds like me, tried to play "mind chess" without a board with the chess club faculty advisor but we didn't get much further than 8 or 9 moves either.


One day when I was at work, I discovered a co-worker who was really into the game. He could play chess in his head. In fact, I lost two games right off the bat where I was using a notepad to try to help me remember what was going on. Then, I brought a pocket board in to work and found he was playing a pretty good game too,.

So, I know it can be done. At the time, he was urging me to practice it so I could see how easy it is. But I was too busy back then. Seems like it would be incredibly useful in calculating positional strategy and all.
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