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THE Chess Thread (merged)
THE Chess Thread (merged)
by chiru » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 05:35:06
Experts widely agree that Chess aids in the development of cognitive thought processes in children’s education. No wonder, Armand Rousso, visionary and entrepreneur, is widely credited for his ongoing efforts in promoting Chess throughout the World. It’s heartening to see that he has generously donated his time and money to develop Chess programs for children.
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Re: Experts widely agree that Chess aids in the development
by chris-h » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 06:58:19
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chiru', 'E')xperts widely agree that Chess aids in the development of cognitive thought processes in children’s education. No wonder, Armand Rousso, visionary and entrepreneur, is widely credited for his ongoing efforts in promoting Chess throughout the World. It’s heartening to see that he has generously donated his time and money to develop Chess programs for children.
Prove it. Experts widely agree ?
What experts ?
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Didn't I hear a critique..
by UIUCstudent01 » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 07:20:34
I think I remember a chessmaster (I think Kasporov?) saying something like that all people do at higher levels of chess is memorize all the moves and such. And he wanted to make it so that the back row was randomized so as to increase on the fly strategy and such... I think there was also a quote that said because the chinese play "Go" which is much more complicated/strategic than chess that they will win anybody against the U.S. if they play chess.
My personal opinion is that the same thing can be accomplished by playing high level games of starcraft and warcraft (2v2, that's where that game shines). They have different strategies than chess, (I never played Go) but I think they require intelligence (but you can also just memorize 'moves' just like chess..) Then again, ease of memorization is a sign of intelligence.. especially of common patterns.
I think all these games train a kid to memorize/recognize patterns in the world around him, as well as getting his math and spatial mental ability (or something) ahead of his peers.
My personal opinion is that the same thing can be accomplished by playing high level games of starcraft and warcraft (2v2, that's where that game shines). They have different strategies than chess, (I never played Go) but I think they require intelligence (but you can also just memorize 'moves' just like chess..) Then again, ease of memorization is a sign of intelligence.. especially of common patterns.
I think all these games train a kid to memorize/recognize patterns in the world around him, as well as getting his math and spatial mental ability (or something) ahead of his peers.
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by TheSupplyGuy » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 09:17:52
We had a discussion similiar to this in English class a few months back. I also assumed that if chess could help develop thinking, why not other strategy games?
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by PenultimateManStanding » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 11:51:45
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheSupplyGuy', 'W')e had a discussion similiar to this in English class a few months back. I also assumed that if chess could help develop thinking, why not other strategy games?
Stratego is a good one. Chinese checkers, even gin rummy and canasta develope cognitive skills. Chess goes far beyond them however. When Phil becomes the Head Eugenicist and parents are desperately trying to keep their kids out of the Thermal Depoloymerization Units, you'll see kids playing chess and listening to Mozart.-
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by Falconoffury » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 19:22:09
X-Com: UFO Defense is a computer strategy game that came out in 1992 that did a lot for my thinking skills when I was younger.
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by entropyfails » Sat 02 Apr 2005, 22:48:38
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'X')-Com: UFO Defense is a computer strategy game that came out in 1992 that did a lot for my thinking skills when I was younger.
That game rules! *grin* You really had to plan out your assaults and could often move troops into an "unusable" configuration. Add on the friendly fire parts and the tech upgrade path and you get a great game for practicing tactical thought (and some strategic thought as well)
Personally, if we want to talk about games that improve thinking and strategy skills, I would recommend Go. (ancient Chinese board game) Go beats chess in computation requirements and we currently have NO computer programs that can beat a skilled human because the large search space makes deep processing much less effective. Go has more possible games than atoms in the universe.
http://playgo.to/interactive/
If you want to learn about geopolitics and strategic use of force (as opposed to tactical use of force) play Diplomacy by Avalon Hill. No dice, only numeric superiority rules this world. You have to form and break alliances to get enough troops to make strategic goals possible. It will really help you to learn about why so many lies, half-truths, and shaky alliances get used in the real version that you see on your TV’s.
http://www.diplom.org/
Some people have a mind better suited for tactics. I’d say chess does an admirable job but it always feels to constraining to me after playing Go. We need more good psychological research on how these games enhance brain development. But they sure beat TV any day, so the real world cognitive enhancements seem more like gravy to me. *grin*
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by PenultimateManStanding » Sun 03 Apr 2005, 00:56:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '
')Personally, if we want to talk about games that improve thinking and strategy skills, I would recommend Go.
If you want to learn about geopolitics and strategic use of force (as opposed to tactical use of force) play Diplomacy by Avalon Hill.
Some people have a mind better suited for tactics. I’d say chess does an admirable job but it always feels to constraining to me after playing Go.
I've never had the pleasure of learning Go. I should look into that link you provided. I would like to see how it compares with chess which is a game that totally fascinated me in my youth. I once read a book called The Golden Treasury of Chess which was just a record of games played through the centuries. They were selected for their interest. The most amazing game of chess I have ever seen ended like this: One of the players went through a whole series of sacrifices which placed the opponent in check so that the responses were forced. The attacking player sacrificed everything he had leaving just one knight remaining while the opponent still had Queen, and much other material all surrounding his King. The last move of the sole remaining knight put the opponent in checkmate, brilliant! Diplomacy was a game I enjoyed playing when I was in college. I had a method of play which worked very well and usually resulted in victory. All of my negotiations were strictly honest - no duplicity of any kind at any point in the game. The idea was to find common interest with certain other players - to seek the most promising alliances and convince them of the logic in my arguments about our common interests. When the time came for me and my ally to have it out, I usually but not always prevailed. The need for duplicity never arose and the trick was to find the right ally. I haven't played Go so I can't compare it to chess, but chess never felt constraining to me - intimidating, exciting, tense, fascinating - but not constraining.')Personally, if we want to talk about games that improve thinking and strategy skills, I would recommend Go.
If you want to learn about geopolitics and strategic use of force (as opposed to tactical use of force) play Diplomacy by Avalon Hill.
Some people have a mind better suited for tactics. I’d say chess does an admirable job but it always feels to constraining to me after playing Go.
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