[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'D')ogs, cats? Closer to the coast, alligators and coastal birds. Whatever doesn't run away fast enough. Also, dandelions are covering my yard right now (damn things). They are very edible.

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'D')ogs, cats? Closer to the coast, alligators and coastal birds. Whatever doesn't run away fast enough. Also, dandelions are covering my yard right now (damn things). They are very edible.

[SeaGypsy]

Living in the extremes of remote northern Australia and the Philippines, I have 2 very different scenarios. In the Philippines there is food growing almost everywhere, but almost all of it is owned and petro dependent. In remote Australia nothing is farmed but there is 'Bush Tucker' galore. Today at work I will drive 60 miles to an outstation aboriginal settlement through a lot of mud and about 6 rivers. I will see a few dozen kangaroos on the way and when I get there I will visit a family who regularly hunt bats (by the hundreds). In the Philippines people shoot and eat everything that moves including sparrows, so when farming fails there won't be anything left.

[Ludi]

I think many modern US citizens would die before eating varmints. Most people here don't see that kind of thing as food at all. Many people now don't even cook anymore. So our wildlife may be somewhat safe.

[Revi]

I think a lot of people will eat squirrel and learn to like it.

I have been thinking about the Zombie thing lately as well.

People are just a thin blue line away from anarchy now.

We're going to work on a kind of a farmwatch program.

When it gets nasty there won't be much civility left.

Hopefully we can guard what we have.

[rangerone314]

Take a note from Fallout 3 for food sources that won't run out... Cannibalism

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[Newfie]

Learn to like squirrel? You gotta be kidding! It's my favorite meat.

Just finished up a plate of venison.

I've had my daughter pick ground hog stew over frozen store bought lazanga, my highest culinary complement EVER.

Cod heads are good but the tongues have to be done just right for my taste.

Bear, caribou, goose, and moose, flipper (seal) are all on the plate at my Aunt's, God bless her.

No picky eaters in this brood.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'T')ake a note from Fallout 3 for food sources that won't run out... Cannibalism --snip--

[Revi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'J')ust imagine if everything collapses here to the point where food delivery & transportation system breaks down.

I wonder if one week is the breaking point for people to go fanning out from the city looking for food.

it might be instructive to examine the violence in the Haitian countryside or where farms or agriculture is to see how the dynamics of zombies vs farmers plays out.

[Jotapay]

Here is the NPR quote:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =122716587

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ince the earthquake destroyed much of the Haitian capital, Port-au-Prince, many Haitians are starting to flee inland. Violence has been reported in different parts of the city as aid is slow to reach victims. Thousands of people still need medical help, or simply water and food, after last week's earthquake.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'J')ust imagine if everything collapses here to the point where food delivery & transportation system breaks down..................
The diaspora that is happening right now is what could happen to any city. Imagine if a northern city of 3 million went without heat and lights for a week in January. People would be leaving in droves.

[pablonite]

The Mathematics Of Rule
http://www.nazisociopaths.org/modules/a ... .php/c1/32
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')uler: One who does not participate in productive economic activities or do any work that directly contributes to creation of social wealth. For instance, government, people on social services, police, military, lawyers . . .

Prey: Those who actually do create wealth by engaging in productive activities. For instance, farmers, industrial workers, service industries'

Nr = Total number of rulers

Np = Total number of prey

Nt = Nr + Np = Population of Society

Wp = Average Work output per worker

Rt = Total social resources available

Rar = Resources consumed by average Ruler

Rap = Resources consumed by average Prey

Assume the consumption of social resources is equal to the resources produced. This is what Rulers plus Prey consume which equals what the Prey produce.

Nr * Rar + Np * Rap = Rt = Np * Wp Equation #1

Substitute Nt - Nr for Np ( Nt = Np + Nr ) into Equation #1:

Nr * Rar + ( Nt - Nr ) * Rap = ( Nt - Nr ) * Wp

Multiply terms:

Nr * Rar + Nt * Rap - Nr * Rap = Nt * Wp - Nr * Wp

Collect common terms:

Nr * ( Rar - Rap + Wp ) = Nt * ( Wp - Rap)

Divide both sides by Nt (total population):

Nr / Nt = (Wp - Rap) / (Rar - Rap + Wp) = Fraction of Rulers in population

Nr / Nt * 100 = Percentage Rulers

( Nr / Nt ) * 100 = ( ( Wp - Rap ) / ( Rar - Rap + Wp ) ) * 100 Equation #2

Define:

G = Greed of rulers = Rar / Rap = resources consumed by rulers versus prey

P = Productivity of prey = Wp / Rap = resources created versus consumed by prey

Therefore;

Wp = P * Rap

Rar = G * Rap

Substitute into equation #2

( Nr / Nt ) * 100 = ( ( P * Rap - Rap) / ( G * Rap - Rap + P * Rap ) ) * 100

Collect terms:

( Nr / Nt ) * 100 = ( ( P -1 ) * Rap ) / ( G - 1 + P ) Rap ) * 100

Rap cancels out:

Percent Rulers = ( Nr / Nt ) * 100 = ( ( P -1 ) / ( G + P - 1 ) ) * 100 Equation #3

This equation is plotted in the Percent Rulers versus Greed for various values of productivity graph below.

[Tanada]

I think that take on things is far to complicated, it works out to when do the producers stop providing excess for the non-producers. That is the point where society falls apart as the non-producers seek survival by any means at their disposal.

[Ludi]

Who qualifies as a "non-producer"? Anyone without a job? Pretty soon that could be any of us. Or all of us.

[Phildo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ho qualifies as a "non-producer"? Anyone without a job? Pretty soon that could be any of us. Or all of us.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ho qualifies as a "non-producer"? Anyone without a job? Pretty soon that could be any of us. Or all of us.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')The non-producers are living on charity, and humans are innately charitable or else we would have destroyed our enemies ruthlessly every time we had a fight. The problem is charity has limits and IMO we are approaching those limits.

[POAlex]

That's quite the graph.

[pablonite]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I') think that take on things is far to complicated, it works out to when do the producers stop providing excess for the non-producers. That is the point where society falls apart as the non-producers seek survival by any means at their disposal.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', ' ')look at the steady diet Hollywood has fed us inside our homes for the last 30 years!