[pablonite]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')his is apt analogy for where the nation is right now. Obama is that loudmouthed lair in the national store right now making promises to the zombies that will never be fulfilled.

[keepitlow]

Was watching the 1/15 show of 'OnQ' from WQED Pittsburgh. The discussion was around the Haiti tragedy and how desperate people do desperate things. One frumpy, middle aged lady who was a lawyer told the lady panelist across from her that "she would take her out to get some water for her kids' if it became necessary.

I thought to myself, WOW, if someone like her would resort to such tactics, how much more uncivil will the lower dregs of society be is such an emergency?

My own philosophy is this...If I have not prepared or my preparations become unusable...then too bad for me. I would not plan on killing others or robbing by force. Survivalists should understand that no ones head is bullet proof and we all have to go outside some time. I would accept that is how things are and try to 'pass on' in peace.

[eXpat]

But not everybody would share that point of view... , In other words you don´t have to decide that you look like a tasty morsel, other one will, and it is you that will face the consequences, whether you like it or not. Not bitching, life is like that.
BTW, I congratulate you in thiking ahead and deciding what to do if or when that situation arises, now is just a matter that doing what you think is right.
Me, I don´t consider my life to be less valuable that some of the scum that infest the streets or even a "good" but desperate person, if someone wants to help himself/herself, with what I have, is in deep trouble.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'B')ut not everybody would share that point of view... , In other words you don´t have to decide that you look like a tasty morsel, other one will, and it is you that will face the consequences, whether you like it or not. Not bitching, life is like that.
BTW, I congratulate you in thiking ahead and deciding what to do if or when that situation arises, now is just a matter that doing what you think is right.
Me, I don´t consider my life to be less valuable that some of the scum that infest the streets or even a "good" but desperate person, if someone wants to help himself/herself, with what I have, is in deep trouble.

[eXpat]

There are not easy answers Sixstrings, unfortunally not golden rule to follow, not matter what. Is a good example the one you pointed out, there are a lot cases too, of humanitarian crews getting killed by the same people that they were trying to help.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ')In a delirious, dehydrated state you would probably jump that water truck and do whatever it takes to get water.

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('keepitlow', 'M')y own philosophy is this...If I have not prepared or my preparations become unusable...then too bad for me. I would not plan on killing others or robbing by force. Survivalists should understand that no ones head is bullet proof and we all have to go outside some time. I would accept that is how things are and try to 'pass on' in peace.

[SeaGypsy]

I think of Hitler, the pogroms and the millions of Jews who stayed knowing what was coming after 'Crystal naught'. They say in the situation of 'fight or flight' the prefered option for sane people is 'flight'. But collectivity rules a large chunk of the frontal cortex. Many bad decisions are made in groups. The decision to wither away with the collective will be often the only one 'sane' people are able to make. The crazies will certainly try to rule by brute force and murder. If there are to be any sane humans left in the aftermath, some sane people need to be ready to fight the crazies.

[Newfie]

Research of downed pilots during WWII showed that something like 70% of them would die within 3 days even though they had sufficient resources at hand. The other 25% could live for much longer.

The difference was attitude apparently. If you get depressed, if you feel you have not sense of control, then you tend to wither quickly. The others somehow are able to pull up internal resources to keep themselves going. I don't know if it is possible to know into which camp we fall, you kinda need to be there to find out.

Relative to this situation we may find that a number of people just give up and die without much provocation. In a way this is a good thing (boy, that is really digging for a silver lining.) It makes is much easier for the few tougher ones to muddle through.

Just a thought.

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '[')I always wonder how these starving, sick, dehydrated people will manage to rampage successfully. "Super Zombies" I guess.

[Newfie]

True or not I have heard that the US Army developed the 45 automatic because their normal service revolvers were inadequate to kill doped up Filipinos during our occupation there early in the 20th century. They needed sometihng with more stopping power, something to physically throw the attacker back, or remove their head.

It would be curious if that is the root of the idea that you need to kill zombies with a shot to the head.

[Cloud9]

The 38 round was popular in the form of the 9mm in Europe and the 38 Smith and Wesson in the U.S. and England. These modest cartridges allowed for the construction of light framed pistols that were convenient to carry. Officers don't generally have to fight so they preferred these small pistols.

Here is a run down on the development of the 45 ACP.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... n27126481/

[efarmer]

Let's see, 4 days without food and water, obvious total collapse of central government
and law and order, and the worst of the imprisoned scum turned loose and armed
and back in the old hood to operate. But still no mass crazed zombie hordes in relation
to the huge mass of affected people, and all of this in the land where the zombie is
supposedly a commodity item.

The world has bombers, and drones, and mortars, and cannons, and rockets and
missiles, and delivery systems to get them to battle in a few hours almost anywhere.
Where is the MRE and water bag with a 25 cent parachute so you can carpet bomb
a disaster area with them while logistics get setup?

Why use a bullet for a burrito mission?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', ' ')But still no mass crazed zombie hordes

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'L')et's see, 4 days without food and water, obvious total collapse of central government
and law and order, and the worst of the imprisoned scum turned loose and armed
and back in the old hood to operate. But still no mass crazed zombie hordes in relation
to the huge mass of affected people, and all of this in the land where the zombie is
supposedly a commodity item.

The world has bombers, and drones, and mortars, and cannons, and rockets and
missiles, and delivery systems to get them to battle in a few hours almost anywhere.
Where is the MRE and water bag with a 25 cent parachute so you can carpet bomb
a disaster area with them while logistics get setup?

Why use a bullet for a burrito mission?

[Jotapay]

NPR ran a story this morning on Morning Edition about Haiti. They said it's been a week since the earthquake hit and citizens in Port Au Prince are getting increasingly desperate. They are fleeing the city, fanning out into the countryside looking for food/water and becoming increasingly violent.

I'll post the story later when they write the transcript.

[rangerone314]

Just imagine if everything collapses here to the point where food delivery & transportation system breaks down.

I wonder if one week is the breaking point for people to go fanning out from the city looking for food.

it might be instructive to examine the violence in the Haitian countryside or where farms or agriculture is to see how the dynamics of zombies vs farmers plays out.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'J')ust imagine if everything collapses here to the point where food delivery & transportation system breaks down.

I wonder if one week is the breaking point for people to go fanning out from the city looking for food.

it might be instructive to examine the violence in the Haitian countryside or where farms or agriculture is to see how the dynamics of zombies vs farmers plays out.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hat "food" would people in the US expect to find in the country? Especially this time of year.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hat "food" would people in the US expect to find in the country? Especially this time of year.