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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby eastbay » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 16:02:29

SS, funny. You and I posted this often overlooked remittance factoid simultaneously. Almost. Beat you by one minute.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 20:41:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ainan', 'T')he average IQ in Haiti is 72. That's borderline retarded. There's no hope for Haiti, any money spent will be money down the drain.


Thats totally normal for 95% black, 5% mulatto and others country. There are 400 Chinese living in Haiti! I wonder if it was them who elevated the average .

PS The problem is not that average IQ is so low. The problem is that HALF of the population have even lower IQ!
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby 2cher » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 23:30:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ainan', 'T')he average IQ in Haiti is 72. That's borderline retarded. There's no hope for Haiti, any money spent will be money down the drain.


Thats totally normal for 95% black, 5% mulatto and others country. There are 400 Chinese living in Haiti! I wonder if it was them who elevated the average .

PS The problem is not that average IQ is so low. The problem is that HALF of the population have even lower IQ!



Does it make me a horrible person for thinking they would be better off if a nice big 8.9'er would just start up and finish the job
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 23:32:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ainan', 'T')he average IQ in Haiti is 72. That's borderline retarded. There's no hope for Haiti, any money spent will be money down the drain.


I'm always facinated as to how these "national IQs" are calculated.

But anyways, a 72 IQ average is actually high considering Haiti's low GDP/capita. Many other more affluent countries have lower average IQs. Though I really don't understand how these calculated average IQs have any sort of validity, both in an IQ test's questionable measurement of intelligence, and in what way a "national IQ average" is calculated. I am sure the sample sizes for measuring these averages are very very small.

And while we are on the topic of generalizing racial groups in accordance to intelligence, West Indies blacks are typically considered to be a 'model minority', especially in the UK, aren't they?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')Well, the land definitely has had the potential to host a prosperous country--look at the neighboring Dominican Republic. It's a There was a tropical rainforest, they have had lots of resources. Port-au-Prince is a bit more than just a shanty town, it has some of the finest examples of French colonial architecture, and hosts some of the wealthiest suburbs (with the best views) in Latin America.


Haiti's land has not undergone significant soil contamination, and thus still has the potential to regain its prowess as an agricultural giant. Its climate has not shifted to a significant extent, and it is still a part of the tropical rainforest biome. And what does it matter if its notable architecture is French in origin? 95% of Haiti's populace has no ancestral relation with the Haiti anyway, so any sort of accomplishment there could be labeled as "foreign"--they even speak French, not their native Taino language(s). Also, older architecture (ie. colonial architecture) tends to be much more lauded than modern architecture. Nobody complains about praising the colonial architectural gems in Shanghai, Singapore, Australia, Hong Kong, etc. Is it just because they have become prosperous? It's still "not theirs."
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby pablonite » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 23:50:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'T')hough I really don't understand how these calculated average IQs have any sort of validity

They don't as far as I can tell but you won't get any argument that many of these sun belt banana republics have a borderline retardation problem.

I read something awhile back about general intelligence and some researchers came to the conclusion that climate plays a key role. Apparently the brain requires an optimal internal temperature which is very difficult to maintain near the equator for most people, but the body can easily find this optimal temp. in more temperate climes.

It makes sense when you take an unbiased look around the world :lol: Unpossible!
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 04:00:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey don't as far as I can tell but you won't get any argument that many of these sun belt banana republics have a borderline retardation problem.


Well obviously someone who hasn't gone to school and has to constantly worry about where his/her next meal is going to come from is going to score lower on an IQ test than someone who is educated and comfortable. The poorer the country, the lower the IQ scores--it's not about the people themselves, it's about what they were born into. Their "problem" would be eliminated with a rise in prosperity.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')I read something awhile back about general intelligence and some researchers came to the conclusion that climate plays a key role. Apparently the brain requires an optimal internal temperature which is very difficult to maintain near the equator for most people, but the body can easily find this optimal temp. in more temperate climes.


The brain's temperature is very tightly regulated by the body.

Well the top scorers in these national average IQs are in tropical climates: Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, etc.
The rise of Homo sapiens sapiens occured in a tropical climate, Africa. The rise of civilization and agriculture occurred in a tropical climate: the fertile crescent.

I don't think climate is a significant factor in determining intelligence.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 04:07:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', 'I')s that you, Rush? :twisted: 8) Be careful, your ignorance is showing. Haiti, the only nation to overthrow their shackles. Spartacus wishes. And punished for 200 years because of it.
MY ignorance? Sorry it is you who is ignorant in the very history of your pet-project-country. The original troublemakers werent the slaves, but free, rich, gun, land and SLAVEOWNING mulattoes, mmkay?
Needless to say, French sloppiness and nothing else is to blame.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 04:19:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '
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Haiti, the Jewel of the French Empire, able to supply the world with coffee and sugar.


true, and look what these slaves have done to it. A paradise turned into nothing but clay, filth and gore.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 10:05:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '
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Haiti, the Jewel of the French Empire, able to supply the world with coffee and sugar.


true, and look what these slaves have done to it. A paradise turned into nothing but clay, filth and gore.
A malignant tumour on planet's body, throwing metastasis everywhere they can.


You're serious. The Two Things Americans will never
hear about Haiti:

That Slaves successfully overthrew their Masters/Napoleans
best general and that Fidel Castro is sending massive numbers
of Doctors and Aid.

The most curious aspect of this story is that no one has said a single word to recall the fact that Haiti was the first country in which 400,000 Africans, enslaved and trafficked by Europeans, rose up against 30,000 white slave masters on the sugar and coffee plantations, thus undertaking the first great social revolution in our hemisphere. Pages of insurmountable glory were written there. Napoleon’s most eminent general was defeated there. Haiti is the net product of colonialism and imperialism, of more than one century of the employment of its human resources in the toughest forms of work, of military interventions and the extraction of its natural resources.



This historic oversight would not be so serious if it were not for the real fact that Haiti constitutes the disgrace of our era, in a world where the exploitation and pillage of the vast majority of the planet’s inhabitants prevails.



Billions of people in Latin American, Africa and Asia are suffering similar shortages although perhaps not to such a degree as in the case of Haiti.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby eXpat » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 10:20:09

US to evacuate 45,000 Haitians to Central Florida :|
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')RLANDO, Fla. -- The American Red Cross says a plan to bring 45,000 evacuees from Haiti to Florida, and 4,000 of those to Orange County, is not set in stone. The Red Cross clarified Friday who could be involved in a plan to move people out of Haiti.

The Red Cross is preparing for two things: the repatriation of Americans living in Haiti and the possibility of a mass migration of Haitian nationals.
The American Red Cross has seen massive migration into the U.S. from areas like Kosovo and Bosnia in the past, but no determination has been made yet in the case of Haiti. But the repatriation of Americans has already begun. Eyewitness News was told that it includes people like missionaries who may have already been working in Haiti before the quake.

The U.S. citizens are being brought into South Florida through Miami and Homestead, where their identities can be verified. Thursday night, five flights arrived with 190 Americans on board.

“I think that we will continue see U.S. citizens coming in over the weekend and through the beginning of next week. And that would be our first focus and first wave and, I think, as the conditions are assessed in Haiti and some decisions are made both with our federal government and the Haitian government about what’s best for their citizens,” Director of Emergency Services Becky Sebren said.

Americans continued to arrive in South Florida Friday afternoon and, as the United States plans its strategy to help Haiti, the state closest to the island nation is taking center stage with a plan to bring tens of thousands of refugees to Florida and approximately 4,000 to Orlando.

http://www.wftv.com/countybycounty/22242754/detail.html
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 10:58:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'U')S to evacuate 45,000 Haitians to Central Florida :|
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')RLANDO, Fla. -- The American Red Cross says a plan to bring 45,000 evacuees from Haiti to Florida, and 4,000 of those to Orange County, is not set in stone. The Red Cross clarified Friday who could be involved in a plan to move people out of Haiti.

The Red Cross is preparing for two things: the repatriation of Americans living in Haiti and the possibility of a mass migration of Haitian nationals.
The American Red Cross has seen massive migration into the U.S. from areas like Kosovo and Bosnia in the past, but no determination has been made yet in the case of Haiti. But the repatriation of Americans has already begun. Eyewitness News was told that it includes people like missionaries who may have already been working in Haiti before the quake.

The U.S. citizens are being brought into South Florida through Miami and Homestead, where their identities can be verified. Thursday night, five flights arrived with 190 Americans on board.

“I think that we will continue see U.S. citizens coming in over the weekend and through the beginning of next week. And that would be our first focus and first wave and, I think, as the conditions are assessed in Haiti and some decisions are made both with our federal government and the Haitian government about what’s best for their citizens,” Director of Emergency Services Becky Sebren said.

Americans continued to arrive in South Florida Friday afternoon and, as the United States plans its strategy to help Haiti, the state closest to the island nation is taking center stage with a plan to bring tens of thousands of refugees to Florida and approximately 4,000 to Orlando.

http://www.wftv.com/countybycounty/22242754/detail.html


Typical American AgitProp:

News results for 45,000 americans in Haiti

MiamiHerald.com Haiti briefs: Almost 1000 of estimated 45000 Americans accounted for‎ - 2 days ago
Of the estimated 45000 Americans in Haiti, the US Embassy had contacted almost 1000. Only one American was confirmed dead, a veteran Foreign Service officer ...
Fort Worth Star Telegram

That they imply Haitians instead of Americans are being helped.
And isn't this the EXACT time when Haiti NEEDS these
Americans?

Meanwhile Cuba continues with it's programs in place.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 11:45:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', 'T')he Two Things Americans will never
hear about Haiti:

That Slaves successfully overthrew their Masters/Napoleans
best general and that Fidel Castro is sending massive numbers
of Doctors and Aid.

The most curious aspect of this story is that no one has said a single word to recall the fact that Haiti was the first country in which 400,000 Africans, enslaved and trafficked by Europeans, rose up against 30,000 white slave masters on the sugar and coffee plantations, thus undertaking the first great social revolution in our hemisphere. Pages of insurmountable glory were written there.


I don't know, Mcgowanjm. After reading more about Haiti's history, the utter savagery of how they conduct warfare is really sickening; insurmountable "gory" is more apt than "glory."

The Haitians basically committed genocide on the island, killing every white man, woman, child, and baby. The roving gangs of "machete-wielding men" have continued right up until this very moment, where they're looting, stealing from the sick and injured, raiding UN relief warehouses, and fighting each other over the loot.

Ironically, Haiti would have been better off it if it had remained a French possession. Look at Martinique and Guadeloupe, for example:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s part of France, Martinique is part of the European Union, and its currency is the euro. Its official language is French, although many of its inhabitants also speak Antillean Creole (Créole Martiniquais). The inhabitants of Martinique are French citizens with full political and legal rights. Martinique sends four deputies to the French National Assembly and two senators to the French Senate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martinique


To be clear, I'm not saying slavery wasn't horrific. But chaos and violence have just continued in Haiti ever since the revolution (after defeating the Europeans, they've just been fighting each other ever since).

In contrast, Martinique is a happy place. They have a strong currency (the euro), and enjoy all the benefits of French citizenship (universal healthcare, etc.).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he average net wage paid in 1999 by private and semi-public sector employers in Martinique was 17 225 Euro per year.
http://circa.europa.eu/irc/dsis/regportraits/info/data/en/fr92_emp.htm


Even manual laborers in Martinique average about 10k euro per year. These wages are obviously much higher than Haiti's $730 per year (1/3 of which comes from relatives in the US).

So, glorious revolution? I dunno. Seems to me they'd have been better sticking with France.

A couple of the latest headlines:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]The horrifying moment lynch mob beats to death a looter and drags his body through the streets as Haiti descends into anarchy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1243910/Haiti-earthquake-The-horrifying-moment-lynch-mob-beats-death-looter-drags-body-streets-quake-hit-island-descends-anarchy.html


and

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Gangs Armed With Machetes Loot Port-Au-Prince
Central Business District Resembles Hell On Earth As Bodies Pile Up And Armed Men Battle Over Food, Supplies
http://wcbstv.com/national/haiti.earthquake.haiti.2.1427143.html
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 12:37:48

As a Mississippi/Southerner I am all too familiar with
Slavery.

The largest all black town in America, Mound Bayou,
was just miles South of my town.

That said, I'm also familiar with Haiti as my best friend's
Doctor Father went there in my second grade for a year
and I grew up playing in his home full of Haitian Artworks.

Like America's slaves, worse, the Haitians were never indemnified
for anything they did. And after burning down the Haitian infrastructure to obtain their freedom (and how would slaves
get the wherewithall to fight against Napolean Armies?), were
then given onerous loan terms (sound familiar?) in order to
be recognized.


* 1794 French First Republic abolishes slavery[5][8]
* 1799 New York State abolishes slavery
* 1799 in Scotland, by an act of the Parliament of Great Britain (39 Geo.III. c. 56).[9]

[edit] 1800-1900

* 1802 The emperor Napoleon re-introduces slavery on French colonies growing sugarcane. [4]

Martinique, along with all other Caribbean Islands kept
slavery until:

There is little historiographical debate about the slave liberation process under the Second Republic. All sources and authorities agree that emancipation resulted directly from the revolution of 1848.

And of course those who waited 'til the dust cleared' were
then treated better. Axciom: The first to revolt always
suffer the most and are given the least quarter afterwards.
See Whistleblower goes to jail. Only one in the UBS/American
NonTaxpayer Case, for details. Examples must be set.

Finally, note how the Abolition Slavery Timeline dovetails
with the Winners/Losers in the Empire/Revolution Game from
1790-Today.

And a BTW-Haitians can't afford things like bullets/tasers.
Cold Steel is what they got for crowd control. And speaking
of Haitian Gov't, where is it?


Former Haitian president Jean Bertrand Aristide, exiled in South Africa since 2004, said Friday he was ready to return to help rebuild the country in the wake of the devastating earthquake.

The 56-year-old former priest was Haiti's first democratically elected leader.....
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby pablonite » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 13:03:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'T')he poorer the country, the lower the IQ scores--it's not about the people themselves, it's about what they were born into.

I'll take your word for it, the statistics.
The IQ test may not be testing every facet of intelligence. Some people have extreme emotional intelligence for example, there could be many measures of intelligence we can't even describe properly yet.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'W')ell the top scorers in these national average IQs are in tropical climates: Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, etc.

These people I would not consider to be the most intelligent people the world has to offer, perhaps the most compliant, obedient left brained people ever engineered. They are well "educated", air conditioned products of western civilization who eat a balanced diet - to use your own argument - they were born into our definition of "intelligence".

You are not seeing the same world I am if you think societies near the equator progress as quickly as societies in temperate regions. I think climate plays a huge role in the general intelligence of a society when looking at history.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 14:05:32

Poor nutrition lowers IQ giving malnourished populations less where with all to pull themselves out of poverty.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/47533.php
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby eXpat » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 14:30:10

Help generously, He is gonna make sure the money is expent wisely 8O
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 16:43:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'H')elp generously, He is gonna make sure the money is expent wisely 8O
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibMf68i4rz8&NR=1


Well of course they just want us to send cash. There's no money to be made from blankets, food, tents, shoes, etc. But with cash, well, cold hard cash can feed not just people but bureaucracies too.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 17:10:19

Why are they still worrying about water?

25 C17 cargo planes operating 5 missions a day can drop 2 million gallons of water on Haiti.

One cargo ship can do the same.

It's absurd that the logisticians can't figure this out.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby tex123 » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 21:44:37

If we only restore Haiti to it's pre-quake state, we should not even bother digging the suffering out from the rubble nor feed the hungry. It only prolongs the inevitable.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Revi » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 21:50:11

We have to do something. I have a feeling that all we'll do is to give out a bunch of food and water, some tents and then we'll all forget about Haiti, Like we did after the last hurricane season.
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