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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 15 Jan 2010, 17:37:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hope_full', 'W')hy has the Dominican Republic turned them away? Aren't they next-door neighbors? And if the Haitians are being turned away by their own neighbors, why is it EXPECTED that the US will rush in and save them?




There is a whole bunch of them in DR already, robbing stealing and murdering everything they can.



PS 1 000 000 of Haitians are living in DR expletive deleted


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Private Sector Floods Haiti With Relief

Unread postby mattduke » Fri 15 Jan 2010, 19:19:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey followed news accounts of the devastation in Haiti, horrified. And then they gave to a country that only a few had ever visited, and many knew little about. From $5 sent via cellphone text messages to $1 million from the founder of a Boston construction company, money and other assistance from the region poured in yesterday.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/latina ... s_pour_in/
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Re: Private Sector Floods Haiti With Relief

Unread postby Novus » Fri 15 Jan 2010, 23:09:36

Idiots every one of them throwing money down a rat role when there are needy right here in America.
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Haiti needs a Marshall Plan to recover

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 02:34:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Haiti needs a Marshall Plan to recover from earthquake

Visits to Haiti by American television cameras and images of suffering — juxtaposed with dramatic music and fancy logos or sad looks on the faces of U.S. politicians as they extend condolences — are not enough.
Sympathy is not enough.

Response to the earthquake in Haiti must be at a level the world has not seen. It is not clear that the message is getting through. Nor is it clear that Haiti will get what it deserves and needs: a new start and the equivalent of a Marshall Plan, war reparations that create a new reality in Haiti.
http://worldfocus.org/blog/2010/01/15/haiti-needs-a-marshall-plan-to-recover-from-earthquake/9267/


The other night, the Haitian ambassador to the US said on TV that the US needs to launch a Marshall Plan to rebuild Haiti. And tonight on MSNBC, congresswoman Maxine Waters repeated this line, that we need a post-WWII style Marshall Plan for Haiti. She also said that any Haitians who reach our shores should be given residency.

Also, Obama has ordered that all Haitian illegal immigrants, who were due for deportation, be granted 18 months residency and allowed to work.

Ok, now my opinion. This is a terrible tragedy, but we can't open our borders -- with our massive levels of unemployment, we need to CLOSE our borders. As for a Marshall Plan.. we can't afford that, nor can we afford another foreign occupation right now.

Quite simply, our plate is more than full. We're already responsible for rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan, and we all know if Pakistan goes under we'll have to move in there too. And for Pete's sake, we haven't even rebuilt New Orleans yet, and Detroit is in ruins. How can we possibly afford to rebuild Haiti?

Here's a better idea.. how about the European Union returning the favor from the last Marshall Plan, and launch one of their own to fix Haiti.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby eastbay » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 04:30:32

http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/81770857.html


All 4,500 prisoners in Haiti's main prison escape. All are on the loose. 8O
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Re: Haiti needs a Marshall Plan to recover

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 06:02:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 't')he Haitian ambassador to the US said on TV that the US needs to launch a Marshall Plan to rebuild Haiti. And tonight on MSNBC, congresswoman repeated this line, that we need a post-WWII style Marshall Plan for Haiti. She also said that any Haitians who reach our shores should be given residency.

Also, Obama has ordered that all Haitian illegal immigrants, who were due for deportation, be granted 18 months residency and allowed to work.




Its getting nicer and nicer. There are about 200 000 illegal Haitians in US, probably a good million or two is legalized already. Dominican republic, 1 000 000 Haitians, Cuba, tens of thousands, Bahamas/Jamaica, tens of thousands, France, 50 to 80 000 illegals and unknown amount of legals, Oh... and that doesnt include french territories in caribean and SA... Surinam 50k, and Guyana 70k . Canada has about 100k as well. Is this a nation or a cancer?
She wants Marshall plan , and freedom to discharge their humanure into US huh? Is there are anything they are going to do? Nobody mentioned total sterilization or even 1 child policy huh?
I wonder if its a coincidence that an idea like that came from a black woman?

PS I was told there is a video of Haitians standing on top of the ruins , with still alive people inside and singing, while foreigners are trying to clean up the rubble. Is that their idea of participation?
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby hope_full » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 08:36:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')S I was told there is a video of Haitians standing on top of the ruins , with still alive people inside and singing, while foreigners are trying to clean up the rubble. Is that their idea of participation?


I think that's a beautiful summary of my problem with all this "humanitarian" aid. That, and the story about the high-energy biscuits being tromped into the dirt.

How on earth can we help these people when they're not even helping one another, or for that matter, helping themselves (but rather, throwing down free food)?

Years ago, our neighborhood sponsored a clean-up of an adjoining drug-laden, high-crime neighborhood with their many sad, run-down, crummy houses. The neighbors from my side of the tracks were scurrying about the streets with their little trash bags, dutifully picking up the junk and debris from the gutters, sidewalks and even front yards. Meanwhile, there were a couple dozen people sitting on the front porches of their sad, run-down, crummy houses who didn't move a muscle but continued to watch the well-dressed folk cleaning up *their* garbage.

Not one person came down from their perch on the porch to help us. And for that reason, that was the last time we ventured into that neighborhood for a clean-up. And less than two months later, the neighborhood over there was again - filled with trash and debris and junk.

That - on a tiny tiny scale - is the problem with Haiti. IMHO, of course.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Ainan » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 11:17:45

The average IQ in Haiti is 72. That's borderline retarded. There's no hope for Haiti, any money spent will be money down the drain.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby eXpat » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 12:09:36

Not just Haiti, it seems to be a lot of tectonic movement around lately.
http://www.thehorizonproject.com/earthquakes.cfm
Recently it was an earthquake of magnitude 5.7 in Sucre, Venezuela and a magnitude 4.0 in Oklahoma.
Now, look at this map
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/
Not only there´s more activity than usual, but a lot of it seems to be around the pacific plate , maybe someone that knows can comment on it?

/sarcasm on
We even have elipses going on!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100115/wl_afp/astronomyeclipsescience;_ylt=ArwXI7oJHD0TMwM6gLi19o2s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJsZXV1Y3VmBGFzc2V0A2FmcC8yMDEwMDExNS9hc3Ryb25vbXllY2xpcHNlc2NpZW5jZQRwb3MDNwRzZWMDeW5fbW9zdF9wb3B1bGFyBHNsawMzOWJsYXppbmdyaW4-
Maybe is time for some good old fashion human sacrifices? :shock:
sarcasm off/
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 12:11:47

Haitians in country illegally can stay
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9D8EIM80&show_article=1

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Obama administration says it will allow Haitians already in the U.S. illegally to remain because of this week's catastrophic earthquake.


Operation Pierre Pan May Start at Miami Hospitals
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/Operation-Pierre-Pan-Starts-at-Miami-Hospitals-81767767.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')iami advocates are pushing to relocate Haitian children to the U.S.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 12:25:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ot only there´s more activity than usual, but a lot of it seems to be around the pacific plate , maybe someone that knows can comment on it?


Earthquakes happen at regular intervals. This cycle started with the 9.3 Sumatra
temblor/tsunami. The Earth has never really quieted from this event.

And now with the Solomon Islands event, the temblors are pinging back and forth.
The 5.6 off the Venezuelan Coast. With Slip plates, there should be another
7 or greater in around the Caribbean. Also watch the volcano at Montserrat.

The Caribbean Plate seems to be locked in a vise and getting crushed.

Mexico City, Taiwan, Istanbul, Adriatic, and the Eastern Congo, LA, San Fran, are the places I'm watching.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby eXpat » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 13:00:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '
')The Caribbean Plate seems to be locked in a vise and getting crushed.

Mexico City, Taiwan, Istanbul, Adriatic, and the Eastern Congo, LA, San Fran, are the places I'm watching.

Aye.
Or you can with some other "explanations" why did it happen :lol: :-D
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')et another great religious thinker has joined Pat Robertson in pondering the most important question about the tragedy in Haiti: whether or not the 7.0 earthquake that has killed thousands and devastated the country's infrastructure was the act of a vengeful God.

"Each time there is mass devastation due to acts of nature in areas of the world there is discussion as to whether or not these are acts of God’s judgment." writes Rev. Bill Shuler, pastor of Capital Life Church, on FoxNews.com. What makes God mad enough to level an entire nation? Whoring and boobs and drinking and witchcraft, of course. Continues Shuler:

When Katrina was flooded some people pointed to the decadent offerings of Mardi Gras and the French Quarters of New Orleans. When the tsunami hit southeast Asia people noted the severe persecution of people of faith in these nations. Haiti has been described, by some, as a place where the practice of witchcraft is prevalent.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/145207/another_christian_right_madman_suggests_haiti_earthquake_may_be_god%27s_wrath
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby efarmer » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 13:25:09

Explaining why other people are worthless seems to come easy to both Rush and Pat
and often God is alleged to gift them with the ability to do a binary sort of humanity.
Somehow, they are never wrong or worthless or hurting, but know who should be.
The microphones they let you see are fakes, the real ones are under their chairs
because they talk out of their ass while they move their lips in sync.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby hardtootell-2 » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 13:46:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'W')as watching CNN..
A food aid truck made it out to the city. So they're passing out these high-energy survival biscuits. Some people in the crowd notice the date (2008) and assume that's the expiration date (it's the package date). So anyway, one guy starts yelling that the biscuits are bad and not to eat them, and then everyone starts throwing the biscuits on the ground and stomping them.

The aid workers get overwhelmed by the crowd and decide to speed off, while hungry kids chase the truck and grab onto it. Bizarre.. if you were hungry, would you worry about an expiration date?
I agree. I guess they are not hungry enough yet. I know there is crushing poverty and overcrowding but watching the news I sure got a strong sense of entitlement from the young men and women being interviewed. I guess it is desperation. I wonder how self discipline and personal responsibility are valued in Haitian culture? I guess the ones with these traits have left. :( That would leave a remaining population that is more helpless.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby eastbay » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 13:55:02

Everything you see in Haiti was given to Haitians in the form of a handout. All the food, concrete, communication lines, medicine, all of it.
The roads, the airport even the now ruined presidential palace and every item in every store. Even the money to buy the illegal drugs.

So yes, what The West has done by offering such handouts is destroy the nation. What the USA and other nations is doing by importing Haitians
is to encourage more population growth. Outside of medicine and rescue help, offering goods and money is the very worst thing that can be done
in a time like this. Sounds harsh to some, but in the long term.... and that's what's most important.... such aid only causes hardship and more suffering.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby pablonite » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 14:25:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hardtootell-2', 'I') guess they are not hungry enough yet.

It's like a beaten dog, just because you put a food bowl on the ground doesn't mean the dog is going to start eating right away. Especially when the beater is hovering over the food bowl.

VIDEO: Haiti: We Would Rather Die Standing
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=16998
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 14:32:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'E')verything you see in Haiti was given to Haitians in the form of a handout. All the food, concrete, communication lines, medicine, all of it.
The roads, the airport even the now ruined presidential palace and every item in every store. Even the money to buy the illegal drugs.

So yes, what The West has done by offering such handouts is destroy the nation. What the USA and other nations is doing by importing Haitians
is to encourage more population growth. Outside of medicine and rescue help, offering goods and money is the very worst thing that can be done
in a time like this. Sounds harsh to some, but in the long term.... and that's what's most important.... such aid only causes hardship and more suffering.


200 years ago Napolean/Jefferson teamed up o teach the slaves a lesson.

In the absence of victory, at least they burned down the infrastructure.
Viet Nam anyone?

And because of Toussaints' Victory the US got the Louisiana Purchase,

and neither France, the US or Haiti, which was double crossed and put into onerous
debt peonage and not recognized til Abe Lincoln have ever been the same.

Haiti, the Jewel of the French Empire, able to supply the world with coffee and sugar.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 14:36:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', 'I')magine if the Batiste Family was still in charge in Cuba.

That JFK followed the Bay of Pigs with Marines
Landing.

Cuba would look just like Haiti today. Instead of being
refused by bush43 when it offered to send doctors to Katrina/
NOGC.



Reallly, would it? There isnt nearly enough black people in Cuba to cause a mess like this. Even Dominican republic with their 18% of Negros and 67% of mulattos is nowhere close to Haiti's level.


Is that you, Rush? :twisted: 8)

Be careful, your ignorance is showing. Haiti, the only nation to overthrow their shackles.
Spartacus wishes. And punished for 200 years because of it.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby eastbay » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 15:52:54

No shackles were ever overthrown by Haitians. It was a killing spree. They went from working for the French
to relying on handouts from the world. And the result of it all is they're now a crystal pure
welfare nation. They're only export is humans remittances from whom Haiti gains 20% of their GDP. The other
80% (or nearly all of it) is direct payments from other nations.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/comm ... -york-city
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 16 Jan 2010, 15:53:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'E')verything you see in Haiti was given to Haitians in the form of a handout. All the food, concrete, communication lines, medicine, all of it.
The roads, the airport even the now ruined presidential palace and every item in every store. Even the money to buy the illegal drugs.

So yes, what The West has done by offering such handouts is destroy the nation. What the USA and other nations is doing by importing Haitians
is to encourage more population growth. Outside of medicine and rescue help, offering goods and money is the very worst thing that can be done
in a time like this. Sounds harsh to some, but in the long term.... and that's what's most important.... such aid only causes hardship and more suffering.


I read somewhere that a full 1/3 of the Haitian population depends on money sent from relatives overseas (mostly in the US). So with this earthquake, that means all the western union offices are closed down and cash has stopped flowing.
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