[Hawkcreek]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, it seems kinda harsh, I have to admit.. but here is the thinking.... If you are asking the government, literally at gunpoint, to take money away from hard working people like me, to support a litter of kids that some guy fathers and is unable to support.... then it starts to make sense for the goverment to also have the ability to put a stop to that crap so that the practice does not continue.....Same goes for the moms. Spaying, they call it I guess...

[pup55]

Hmmmm.....

Well, perhaps I should rethink the issue.

Question: At any time during your child support situation did you actually feel like going out and fathering a few more kids? I suppose it is a bit difficult to father kids from jail, although it is not unheard of, so at least your friends were chilled out for awhile.

I wholeheartedly appreciate you taking care of your kids in excess of what the law requires, but I am afraid there is a segment of society that just pops them out and walks away from them. I suppose a wise judge would be able to tell the difference between somebody who was a serial baby daddy, rather than someone who got divorced and then had some bad employment luck.

[Hawkcreek]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')uestion: At any time during your child support situation did you actually feel like going out and fathering a few more kids? I suppose it is a bit difficult to father kids from jail, although it is not unheard of, so at least your friends were chilled out for awhile.

I wholeheartedly appreciate you taking care of your kids in excess of what the law requires, but I am afraid there is a segment of society that just pops them out and walks away from them. I suppose a wise judge would be able to tell the difference between somebody who was a serial baby daddy, rather than someone who got divorced and then had some bad employment luck.

[Cloud9]

There is something happening here, and what it is ain’t exactly clear. The series of continuous crisis caused by government actions has allowed the political class in conjunction with an oligopoly of bankers and mega-corporations to hijack the American Republic. The American public has allowed this to happen by being distracted by the imaginary differences between the Democratic and Republican parties. There is virtually no difference between these parties. Both parties have taken away American freedoms and liberties. The government has waged undeclared wars since the 1950’s, they have restricted freedom of speech, freedom to own a gun, freedom to healthcare, freedom to protest, and freedom to live our lives the way we choose.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article14967.html

[bshirt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'C')HICAGO — Nearly half of all U.S. children and 90 percent of black youngsters will be on food stamps at some point during childhood, and fallout from the current recession could push those numbers even higher, researchers say.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/02/food-stamps-will-feed-hal_n_342834.html

This horse is dead, beaten, dragged off and turned to glue, but I had to throw this one thing in....

The logic behind feeding the kids in the first place is so that you do not have a lot of starving kids around, right?

But, the problem is, without negative consequences for being stupid and having kids that you cannot support, there is nothing to stop the moms (it is, the moms, isn't it?} from cranking out a dozen....In fact, there is a lot of incentive FOR cranking out a dozen. It's a nice career if you can do it.

So the taxpayers are ultimately supporting half of the population at some point? How is this sustainable by any stretch of the imagination.....

[bshirt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'S')o the taxpayers are ultimately supporting half of the population at some point? How is this sustainable by any stretch of the imagination.....

[bshirt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')terilization for dead beat dads? I like it! After that becomes acceptable, I would add a few more crimes individual should be sterilized for Rape, is an obvious choice, then all convicted felons, crack addicts....

[eXpat]

For bankers is time to start investing in security.
Bankers might be feeling public’s wrath — literally
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') Los Angeles lawyer who had represented a failed subprime mortgage lender is found dead outside his home, having been shot in the head.

Three men allegedly invade the home of a former subprime lender, and are arrested after reportedly injuring three people inside.

Vandals target the home of the former CEO of the Royal Bank of Scotland, smashing windows in the banker's home and car.

Those are just three notable incidents of violence aimed at people who were in some way linked to the financial crisis that has unfolded over the past year. And while in many of those cases it's unclear whether the incidents were politically motivated, or motivated by financial issues, or just a coincidence, the cases fit into a pattern of escalating crime and violence in the wake of the recession.

[sittinguy]

They can afford it.

In the words of Biggie Smalls,, Mo Money Mo Problems.

Ha Ha,

My revolution will consist of staying home.

Soon they will come out with an X-box game. Death of the Dollar. The object of the game will be hunting bankers.

[evgeny]

A Plea to Yushchenko



The Orange Revolution officially comes to a close on Sunday. Save a miracle, President Viktor Yushchenko, who five years ago lead massive demonstrations that toppled an authoritarian regime, will be soundly defeated, Jeremy Druker comments for ISN Security Watch.

By Jeremy Druker in Prague for ISN Security Watch

The euphoria has long ago worn away from those days in November 2004 when throngs of Ukrainians began to don all things orange and fill up the country’s squares to protest a fraudulent election.

All the bickering between members of the Orange coalition, dozens of scandals, pervasive corruption and an imploding economy did away with the optimism that Ukraine could quickly become a modern, European democracy.

But the disappointment today for many Ukrainians runs even deeper because of the fall of one of the heroes of the Orange Revolution, Viktor Yushchenko, who rallied the crowds that jubilant winter and survived an apparent poisoning.

Yushchenko has by now lost many of the credentials that once made him a poster child for the potential of ‘people power’ to overthrow corrupt regimes in the former Soviet Union and install western-oriented democracies.

Under Yushchenko’s leadership, remarkably little has been done in terms of instituting long-needed reforms (to ensure the independence of the judiciary, for example, or to fight corruption in a systematic way). Though admittedly hamstrung by devolution of some of his powers to parliament, Yushchenko repeatedly sullied himself through unabashed power grabs, often in competition with his former ‘Orange’ ally Yulia Tymoshenko.

The past few months of campaigning have only besmirched Yushchenko’s reputation further, as he has lashed out at his rivals in vulgar and nationalistic language and faced accusations of misusing government funds (so-called administrative resources) for his campaign. He also seems to be operating in his own little world, absurdly self-confident, almost messianic, despite poll ratings under 5 percent. (“Today an alternative to President Yushchenko doesn’t exist,” he told The Wall Street Journal).

The net impact of all the infighting and lack of reform on the general population is disheartening, to say the least.

According to a poll conducted late last year by the Pew Research Center, a mere 30 percent of those surveyed voiced approval for the shift to democracy, placing Ukraine last among the other ex-communist countries analyzed. And, as reported by RFE/RL, another poll conducted by the Kiev-based Razumkov polling agency found only 7 percent of Ukrainians confident that their country was moving in the right direction.

There is still time, however, for the president to preserve part of his legacy. And, in the midst of the disgust and disappointment with how things turned out, that legacy should not be forgotten. Chaos and corruption may still abound, but without Yushchenko bravely contesting those fixed elections, it’s hard to imagine today’s political plurality, freedom of the media and vibrant civil society.

Once the results inevitably come in that he has been soundly defeated, Yushchenko would be well-advised to stand aside and face reality. Unless he really does have proof of fraud once again, it won’t be time for protests, but simply a peaceful transfer of power.

Soros and the U.S. State Department understood the second time to dress all in orange, spending many millions to isolate this country from its northern neighbor will not work.
Ukrainian GDP (grew up well before the Orange Revolution) has suffered huge losses from NATO sentiments Yushchenko and his girlfriend. People feel NATO's in their own income

[dissident]

Funny how Yuskenko's dictatorial behaviour is given a pass. The clown basically dissolved the constitutional court because it went against his desires. This a** also threatened to start war with Russia over the Sevastopol naval base in the wake of his pal Sakashvili being driven out of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Imagine if Castro tried to take back Guantanamo by force.

And now he is claiming he will win the election even though all opinion polls show his approval rating is less than 5% and he has no chance against Timoshenko. If he loses will he call out the tanks to save "democracy"?

[Cabrone]

This (rather excitable) fellow thinks the US will go anarchic by 2020.

Don't know about that but I do wonder if a new political party or two might form in the next decade, seems to be a lot of disillusionment around at the moment.

Anyway, back to the article and the countdown to anarchy:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')tage 1: The Dems just put the nail in their coffin by confirming they are wimps, refusing to force the GOP to filibuster the Bush tax cuts for America’s richest.

Stage 2: The GOP takes over the House, expanding its war to destroy Obama with its new policy of “complete gridlock,” even “shutting down government.”

Stage 3: Obama goes lame-duck.

Stage 4: The GOP wins back the White House and Senate in 2012. Health care returns to insurers. Free market financial deregulation returns.

Stage 5: Under the new president, Wall Street’s insatiable greed triggers the catastrophic third meltdown of the 21st century Shiller predicted, with defaults on dollar-denominated debt.

Stage 6: The Second American Revolution explodes into a brutal full-scale class war rebelling against the out-of-touch, out-of-control greedy conspiracy-of-the-rich now running America.

Stage 7: Domestic class warfare is compounded by Pentagon’s prediction that by 2020 “an ancient pattern of desperate, all-out wars over food, water, and energy supplies would emerge” worldwide and “warfare is defining human life.”

[Lore]

Didn't happen during the Great Depression, why would it happen now? You always get a bunch of angry old folks grousing about their health and welfare when ever there is a down turn. The SHTF when all the resource and environmental fundamentals really begin to go South.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Stage 6: The Second American Revolution explodes into a brutal full-scale class war rebelling against the out-of-touch, out-of-control greedy conspiracy-of-the-rich now running America.

[Plantagenet]

This kind of thing is much more likely to happen in European countries, where there is tradition of crackpot dictators taking over in times of trouble.

The last depression in the 1930s produced civil war in Spain, and totalitarian takeovers in Spain, Italy and Germany.

Already in this downturn we've got massive labor unrest mixed with general strikes in Spain, Greece and France, with Ireland, Portugal, and Italy heading down the same road.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')
Where are you going to find the people to hang/guillotine/crucify?

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'R')iots maybe, burn down your neighborhood grocery store - wait there aren't any - burn down a walmart maybe.

But a class war? Against who?

Where are you going to find the people to hang/guillotine/crucify?

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')
Where are you going to find the people to hang/guillotine/crucify?

[Cloud9]

What the feds want is contingent on the continuation of their ability to pay its agents to enforce its will. Therein lays the stick. The carrot depends on the fed’s ability to bribe its subjects. As long as the carrot and stick are functional, there will be no revolution.

What makes this go around different from the great depression is oil. In the thirties we were an oil exporter. Today sixty percent of our oil is imported. Our entire society depends on it. We have debased our industry. We are debasing our currency. We are swapping our gold and silver for our own worth less paper. We have capitalized our enemies and now live on credit. We have become like an old alcoholic gunslinger. We are a thing to be pitied, but still extremely dangerous. Still, I would not cash us out.

Like a phoenix, we can be reborn.