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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 08:30:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'W')here was Obama on Thursday, June 4th, 2008?


Smokin weed with Bill Ayers and crackin jokes about Hillary's arse. Everybody knows that ! ;)


He was in NJ. At Bilderberg. I can dig up the press corps articles about how they were had, flying around the country to events that didn't exist that night. I have to get some sleep now tho. Until tomorrow, night night.


No, you're way off. I have a good source who has a friend, who has a friend, whose cousin dated a guy, who knows the guy who sold O a dime bag on June 4th on Rush Street.

Besides...... my source also said that on June 4th TPTB had Spectra instruct Blofeld to meet with Cheney to discuss the bond market disruption scheduled to go off in 09. Where do you get your intel??? ;)

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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby dorlomin » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 10:14:09

Fox News amuses me. When we got home from the pub we would stick it on for a half hours worth of giggles. A bit like laughing at the mentally inferior but hell, it is pretty funny when you’ve had a skinful.

If I was to have a problem with it it would not be its bias but just how dumb it is. I can pick up and read 'right wing' news sources like the Economist, FT, The Times and even the Telegraph and filter out the bias and get a generally descent article. By far my favourite would be the Economist. But Fox is just plain dumb and often gets basic facts wrong. Its definitely a news source for people who struggle with the earth being billions of years old and wacky modern ideas like all that 'evolution' nonsense.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby Chuckmak » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 10:17:45

Dr. Claw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ernst Blofeld

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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 10:18:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'F')ox News amuses me. When we got home from the pub we would stick it on for a half hours worth of giggles. A bit like laughing at the mentally inferior but hell, it is pretty funny when you’ve had a skinful.

If I was to have a problem with it it would not be its bias but just how dumb it is. I can pick up and read 'right wing' news sources like the Economist, FT, The Times and even the Telegraph and filter out the bias and get a generally descent article. By far my favourite would be the Economist. But Fox is just plain dumb and often gets basic facts wrong. Its definitely a news source for people who struggle with the earth being billions of years old and wacky modern ideas like all that 'evolution' nonsense.



Struggle??? most can't even comphrehend the earth being more than 6000 years old, let alone ever entertain the notion is could be billions. Come on, they gave huckabee a show.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby HeckuvaJob » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 10:44:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'H')owever, I think its important to have a range of news coverage so the MSM isn't completely monolithic so I like having Fox there along with ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, etc. 8)

The MSM is the very definition of a monolith. This is like declaring "I enjoy a vast diversity of cuisines, which is why i eat at McDonald's AND Burger King."

How many of them covered the massive war protests of 2003? Iraqi civilian causalities? Palestinian casualties?
How many of them gave Kucinich or Ron Paul equal air time?
How many of them are giving single-payer fair coverage?

If you want to balance your consumption of MSM, start with something like Information Clearing House.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby Jotapay » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 12:06:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', 'H')ow many of them covered the massive war protests of 2003? Iraqi civilian causalities? Palestinian casualties?


Exactly. There are 1.3 million dead Iraqis from America trying to give them our "Freedom".

But for the past 24 hours, the media has been completely saturated with one man shooting two people at a DC museum. You would think he wiped out an entire city or something. Where are the priorities? The MSM all suck, plain and simple.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby AgentR » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 12:17:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'B')ut Fox is just plain dumb and often gets basic facts wrong. Its definitely a news source for people who struggle with the earth being billions of years old and wacky modern ideas like all that 'evolution' nonsense.


I think thats a fair enough statement, but I think it applies pretty much equally across the board for broadcast info-tainment.

CNN cracks me up quite a bit, the ones with a bit more financial orientation are also funny, but for different reasons, as you're always trying to guess whether the interviewees are dim, or are they just trying to run a con and cause a bunch of people to buy what they (or their friends) are ready to sell!

The false air of noble journalism that the serious news shows try to portray while simultaneously scrunching a complicated and worthwhile subject down to two sound bites, five commercials, and a closing paragraph really makes me the most ill though.

I knew western journalism was dead one day when I went from watching a white house press conference, to a PRC press conference.. in America, it was some personality gotcha thing, he said- she said, no really he said it, trust me thing... In Beijing, it was a complicated question about migrant workers and some civil service issue; and the chair-dude spent a good ten minutes talking about real details, what they needed to do, what they had failed at, and the challenges they faced in addressing the issue. A real problem, effecting millions of real people, getting a real, thoughtful answer from a government leader, with real journalists listening and reporting... in the friggin PRC.

Western journalism is a joke.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 12:38:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'H')owever, I think its important to have a range of news coverage so the MSM isn't completely monolithic so I like having Fox there along with ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, etc.

The MSM is the very definition of a monolith.


Of course.

All I'm saying is you (and most of the folks posting here) claim to oppose the evil monolithic new media, but your actual complaints all focus on all the terrible things you imagine are wrong with Fox News. Based on what you post, you seem to actually be OK with with the MSM except for evil Fox News and their ignorant, religious southern gun-owning republican-voting viewers.

Agent R is honest enough to discuss other US channels then Fox, and [gasp!] even foreign news channels but he is the exception that proves the rule. Heckuvajob, you seem obsessed with FOX. if you actually aren't OK with the MSM, can you name another channel or program you don't like?? Surely there must be something other then FOX you don't approve of since you claim to scorn all of the MSM??.....Whats wrong with MSNBC or CNN, for example?




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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 13:04:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', '&')quot;I enjoy a vast diversity of cuisines, which is why i eat at McDonald's AND Burger King."


Wow!..... you must live WAY out in the suburbs if your dining choices are limited to McDonalds and Burger King!!!

The American dining experience may be a monolith, much like the media, but even in something labelled a "monolith" there is a lot more out there to choose from in the MSM then Fox News and there is a lot more to choose from in terms of cuisine then McDonald's and Burger King. 8)

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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby kiwichick » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 13:09:40

isn,t fox a comedy channel?

i didn't realise they reported on the news
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby AgentR » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 13:35:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kiwichick', 'i')sn,t fox a comedy channel?
i didn't realise they reported on the news


Fox, CNN, and Co run a comedy syndicate. Sort of like watching Rock and Foxworthy back to back. Best with adult beverages.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby JoeW » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 13:56:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')There are NO fair and balanced sources; though they all claim so.

What is honest is that Fox acknowledges its biases; CNN does not. BBC does not.


I think that CNN is about the fairest we have in the U. S. MSNBC is loaded with Democratic Party cheerleaders, FOX is loaded with GOP cheerleaders, and CNN is somwhere between those two extremes.

You say that Fox acknowledges their biases. That is not true. They claim to be "Fair and Balanced".
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby AgentR » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 14:04:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeW', 'Y')ou say that Fox acknowledges their biases. That is not true. They claim to be "Fair and Balanced".


I said that I've seen them do it. I've never seen CNN, BBC, or others do the equivalent. That doesn't imply that they don't put up claims of "fairness".

My point is that they are all horrifically biased; and that Fox seems more open and honest about its biases. nb, CNN seems just as biased as Fox to me; though there is a lot more to "bias" than "favor Republican" and "favor Democrat".
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 14:12:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeW', '
')MSNBC is loaded with Democratic Party cheerleaders, FOX is loaded with GOP cheerleaders, and CNN is somwhere between those two extremes.


Thats about right.

Except CNN is loaded with Clinton democratic cheerleaders to the point that even other democrats complain about CNN's pro-Clinton bias

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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby HeckuvaJob » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 15:33:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', '&')quot;I enjoy a vast diversity of cuisines, which is why i eat at McDonald's AND Burger King."


Wow!..... you must live WAY out in the suburbs if your dining choices are limited to McDonalds and Burger King!!!

The American dining experience may be a monolith, much like the media, but even in something labelled a "monolith" there is a lot more out there to choose from in the MSM then Fox News and there is a lot more to choose from in terms of cuisine then McDonald's and Burger King. 8)

FOX....PBS....CNN.....McDONALD'S.......MSNBC.....BBC....ALJAZEERA......BURGER KING.......TIMES OF LONDON...........BIG MAC.....

Please don't take my quotes out of context. I've never, ever done that to you and I expect the same in return.

Let me try to simplify this for you:

stating that you like to get your news from a wide variety of sources, and then proceeding to list examples of corporate owned, MSM is like (meaning similar to, akin to, in the vein as) someone stating that they enjoy a vast diversity of cuisines, which is why they dine at McDonald's and Burger King.

Both are corporate owned and unhealthy.

Do you see what I mean? McDonald's is very similar to Burger King, right? CNN is very similar to MSNBC, ABC, CBS, New York Times, right? Are you with me so far?

Have you ever eaten at a small, independent restaurant? Remember how good it tasted? How refreshing and nourishing it was? Now try to imagine making the same bold, brave choices with the news that you consume.

Your brain's taste buds will be tingling when you first log on to Information Clearing House. There will be a party in your cranium and everyone will be invited when you listen to an episode of Flashpoints.

You're a pioneer for crying out loud - you live in Alaska! Now get out of your news rut and feast at the buffet of independent media.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby HeckuvaJob » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 15:39:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'H')eckuvajob, you seem obsessed with FOX. if you actually aren't OK with the MSM, can you name another channel or program you don't like?? Surely there must be something other then FOX you don't approve of since you claim to scorn all of the MSM??.....Whats wrong with MSNBC or CNN, for example?




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Actually, I'm obsessed with you, Plantagenet.

I already answered your question, but will copy and paste it here again for your convenience.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', 'T')he MSM is the very definition of a monolith. This is like declaring "I enjoy a vast diversity of cuisines, which is why i eat at McDonald's AND Burger King."

How many of them covered the massive war protests of 2003? Iraqi civilian causalities? Palestinian casualties?
How many of them gave Kucinich or Ron Paul equal air time?
How many of them are giving single-payer fair coverage?

About time those damn crickets shut-up. Please read my previous response to you before commenting on my restaurant examples, suburbia, etc.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 15:53:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', '
')Actually, I'm obsessed with you, Plantagenet.


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Take it, that way you'll learn the best lesson
The heart, the soul, the life, the passion

There's no money
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Only obsession.
I don't need that shit
Take my money
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Take my obsession
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Money
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Present yourself
Press your clothes
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Clock in
You just can't win
Just can't win
The things you own
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Take my money
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I don't need that shit


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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby HeckuvaJob » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 15:55:40

Copied from an earlier thread and re-posted here for the convenience of my good friend, Plantagenet. Eat up!
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby HeckuvaJob » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 15:58:24

Let me draw a line here, Plantagenet:

I will not be composing any verse for you.
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Re: HOW FOX NEWS OPENED AMERICA

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 17:19:31

BTW, if you want some of Fox's propaganda and distortions catalogued and itemized for posterity, this is a good site.

Fox on Global Warming.

Day by day accounting of Fox's Obama Bashing in the first 100 days.
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