[Plantagenet]

Obama is selectively releasing files and censoring all mention of Congress from White House press releases on the torture issue to try to cover up the role of Congress in approving the interrogation techniques aka torture in order to allow his fellow democrats in Congress to pretend "they knew nothing"

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President Obama's Intelligence Director, Mr. Blair, in a memo last week to his staff, also said Congress had been notified of the tactics: "From 2002 to 2006 when the use of these techniques ended, the leadership of the CIA repeatedly reported their activities both to Executive Branch policymakers and to members of Congress, and received permission to continue to use the techniques."

That line, in an April 16 memo to the intelligence community, was later deleted from a statement released to the public by the Obama administration.

[Plantagenet]

Obama's spin that a few lawyers in the justice department were the only people responsible is silly. What about the CIA and Bush administration people? And what about Congress? Congress must also face questions about what the Members knew and when, especially Nancy Pelosi who was on the House Intelligence Committee in 2002. The Speaker now says she vaguely remembers hearing about waterboarding, though not that it would actually be used. Does anyone believe that? Others on that committee says that, if anything, Ms. Pelosi worried the CIA wasn't doing enough to stop another attack. By all means, put her under oath.

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If Nancy Pelosi and her colleagues in Congress think waterboarding is horrible now, why didn't Pelosi think it was horrible in 2002 when she was on the CIA oversight panel?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OutOfGas', '
')All of you bleeding heart whiners will be singing a different tune when
an A-Bomb goes off in the US because we cannot collect intel !

[rangerone314]

183 times?

Isn't one definition of insanity doing the same thing OVER and OVER again while expecting a different result each time?

If you want to fight AQ, drain their financial support by getting rid of oil.

As far as torture working? If you apply enough force, people will say anything. And that's the problem. Anything, including stuff that is made up.

There must have been a lot of people in Spain who were truly guilty of witchcraft, because they used waterboarding in the Inquisition to get people to confess.

Funny they will torture people for information, but when they get info like a bunch of Arabs being in the US for flight training, they don't act on it. Maybe they've been smoking the poison cigars that they tried to use to kill Castro.

If the CIA hadn't financed the mujahadeen in Afghanistan in the 80's or overthrown a democratically elected leader in Iran in the 50's in favor of a despotic (and torturing) Shah, maybe we wouldn't have the level of terrorism we have now.

[Schmuto]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OutOfGas', 'W')aterboarding does not sound like torture to me.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OutOfGas', 'W')aterboarding does not sound like torture to me.

The guy is still alive with all his digits and private parts.

All of you bleading heart whiners will be singing a different tune when
an A-Bomb goes off in the US because we cannot collect intel !

[Fishman]

Shmu
You gotta get some therapy buddy.
Not jewish, presbyterian actually.
What a rant.
Israel, I try to eval them like any other country, not perfect, but provides some elections and some freedoms, unlike ANY of their neighbors. Right or wrong? please give an example of ANY neighboring country that provides these basic rights. Oh wait, that would be Iraq, now that we've "interfered"

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')There must have been a lot of people in Spain who were truly guilty of witchcraft, because they used waterboarding in the Inquisition to get people to confess.

[flapjax]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OutOfGas', 'W')aterboarding does not sound like torture to me.

The guy is still alive with all his digits and private parts.

All of you bleading heart whiners will be singing a different tune when
an A-Bomb goes off in the US because we cannot collect intel !

[AgentR]

You folks are SO not getting the drill that is going on here. Everyone knows how witchhunts work in America now; they are all fun and games for about a year, then go very, very sour on whoever is doing the hunting. That means that Obama can not permit his hunting party to go rampaging around the field at this time. If they were to do so, by the time the next elections are underway, people would be VERY tired of them, will associate anything bad in the economy with the focus on the witchhunt; and blame the administration or congress whether they are responsible or not.

Thats bad, if you're a shareholder in Obama Inc.

What you see right now is Obama Inc. crippling the ability of any agency or branch to do any serious hunting. I wouldn't be surprised if the best they can do when the administration is finished is to write letters of complaint to the bar associations for the lawyers who wrote the original memos.

To those of you that lust for the day that someone real in the Bush Administration gets prosecuted for torture; please I hope you get your wish, cause I'd love for my team to win the next election.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')
To those of you that lust for the day that someone real in the Bush Administration gets prosecuted for torture; please I hope you get your wish

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '.').was repudiated at the Nuremberg Nazi Trials.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '.').was repudiated at the Nuremberg Nazi Trials.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 't')he international court in the Hague and self-righteous national courts in Spain, Belgium etc. will be happy to charge Americans with war crimes.

[Plantagenet]

Just this morning there are news reports that the CIA was doing water torture BEFORE the justice department said it ok.

OF COURSE they were. The CIA has been doing this technique for decades.

Obama's claim that the Bush justice department in 2002 is to blame for water torture is an obvious lie. Even the four documents that Obama cherry picked to leak show that the CIA already had the process underway in 2002.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 't')he international court in the Hague and self-righteous national courts in Spain, Belgium etc. will be happy to charge Americans with war crimes.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'D')o you really think Obama will say to no to the Hague or even to a court Belgium, for that matter?

[OutOfGas]

OK the American PC version of waterboarding is evil torture.

Lets use the Arab world version.

Hang the individual by his feet with rope or preferrably wire.

Lower head into sewage until the victim passes out.

Repeat as needed.

[Munqi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')You're lying to yourself because you know that a similar situation could and most likely has already happened. You know that torture has already saved lives

[flapjax]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Munqi', '
')Yes its barbaric, but if someone is about to murder innocent people then its more barbaric to let those people die than torture the person who is going to kill them.

You're a hypocrite. You blame people even though you know that you would have done the same.