[Munqi]

Im guessing this means you admit im right.


Anyways, the reason why i do care about what people think about this is that YOU are responsible for this. If torture was legal and controlled innocent people wouldnt have to suffer. Your hypocricy has caused this.


You think about that.

[Schmuto]

Come on Munqi - state your principle - - -

It is OK to do evil if good results from that evil.

That is your principle, right?

For example, according to your theory of living, if you had the choice of . . .

A) killing one baby, thereby allowing 10 million to live . . .

or

B) not killing the one baby, which means 10 million would die . . .

. . . you would choose A, right?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'L')oved the comments afterward, no historical perspective. Waterboarding vs decapitation, you call it.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Munqi', 'Y')ou catch a terrorist who has hidden a bomb somewhere that will kill 100 people when it goes off. The only way to get to that bomb is to torture him.

What do you do?

Do you kindly tell him that you're above such barbaric things and just watch those 100 people die?

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')You catch a terrorist who has hidden a bomb somewhere that will kill 100 people when it goes off. The only way to get to that bomb is to torture him.

What do you do?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', ' ') I want you to find someone who was ever tortured or who has ever tortured in order to get information. They will all tell you, like Mr. McCain has done so frequently, that you do not get accurate information.

[Plantagenet]

Its hard to say where this will go, because of the conflicting messages that Obama and his White House staff are putting out.

Obama flip flops upsetting justice department

Obama is trying to set limits on the who the justice department can charge with torture.......normally the law requires that everyone who breaks the law must be charged.

[Munqi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')You catch a terrorist who has hidden a bomb somewhere that will kill 100 people when it goes off. The only way to get to that bomb is to torture him.

What do you do?

[Fishman]

Clearly we will never reach agreement on this issue. The challenge for the present administration is they recognize now their job is to save the country, even if it requires approaching the brutality of one's enemy at times. Unfortunately those that voted for obama disagree. If one's principle leads to the death of others, clearly in this thread there will be a variety of views. If it leads to your own death? Isn't self defense allowed?

[Plantagenet]

We can't reach a conclusion when the Obama administration is covering up the facts on this issue. Obama cherry-picked four documents to release from the thousands of documents on this subject. Then Obama gave his speech and lied to the American people when he claimed the CIA torture didn't work ----- Obama's own CIA and intelligence people told him it did work, it did obtain valuable intel, and did stop terror attacks and save American lives.

From Politico.com:

"....In the most recent instance, Obama's Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair acknowledged in a memo to the intelligence community that Bush-era interrogation practices yielded had "high-value information,” then omitted that admission from a public version of his assessment.

That leaves a top Obama administration official appearing to validate claims by former Vice President Dick Cheney that waterboarding and other techniques the White House regards as torture were effective in preventing terrorist attacks. And the press release created the impression the administration was trying to suppress this conclusion.

[Schmuto]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'C')learly we will never reach agreement on this issue. The challenge for the present administration is they recognize now their job is to save the country, even if it requires approaching the brutality of one's enemy at times. Unfortunately those that voted for obama disagree. If one's principle leads to the death of others, clearly in this thread there will be a variety of views. If it leads to your own death? Isn't self defense allowed?

[Schmuto]

MUNQI?

You haven't answered my question. Come on, play along - you'll learn something about yourself - I promise.

Based on your principles, I should kill a single baby if doing so saves 100 million, right?

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ont you ever get tired of lying to yourself?

[Fishman]

Shmu
Wow, what an attack for simply asking if its ok to defend yourself. I have to assume you are unwilling to answer the question due to the conclusion one must reach.

Typical Israeli-supporter donkey sh-t. (you diminish your argument with rants)

Stop viewing the world as full of terrorists out to get us.(what if they actually say they are out to get us, should I pay no attention?)

Start viewing the world as full of people we've been f----g with for a long time.(so I should allow them to kill me, even though they are not out to get me?)

But it would be bad for Israel if America just packed her bags and came home, right Fishman? (how does one get from a question about self defense to this?)
Shmu, did your mom waterboard you?

[Schmuto]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'S')hmu
(you diminish your argument with rants)

""Stop viewing the world as full of terrorists out to get us."" (what if they actually say they are out to get us, should I pay no attention?)

""Start viewing the world as full of people we've been f----g with for a long time.""(so I should allow them to kill me, even though they are not out to get me?)

""But it would be bad for Israel if America just packed her bags and came home, right Fishman?"" (how does one get from a question about self defense to this?)

[Munqi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', '[')size=200]MUNQI?[/size]

You haven't answered my question. Come on, play along - you'll learn something about yourself - I promise.

Based on your principles, I should kill a single baby if doing so saves 100 million, right?

[Munqi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ont you ever get tired of lying to yourself?

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')You're lying to yourself because you know that a similar situation could and most likely has already happened. You know that torture has already saved lives

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou know that you're wrong, but still you're not willing to give up that moral highground of yours that you love so much.

[OutOfGas]

Waterboarding does not sound like torture to me.

The guy is still alive with all his digits and private parts.

All of you bleading heart whiners will be singing a different tune when
an A-Bomb goes off in the US because we cannot collect intel !