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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 03:49:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'B')esides, I am sure there are other more reputable insurance companies other than AIG.


"Reputable" and "Insurance Company" in the same sentence is an Oxymoron, like Republican Ethics, Military Intelligence, Christian Logic or Jumbo Shrimp.

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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 07:24:51

One bright morning in the middle of the night,
two dead soliders got up to fight,
back to back they faced each other,
drew their swords and shot each other.

Governments need to get out of peoples lives. they need to back off, but since there are so many babies out there it doesn't seem possible. I say let them att have at each other and who is left standing are the ones who are the winners. "You, me, a rope and one knife, then we'll see." - Thunder Jack

Life isn't easy, and this lifestyle is only 100 odd years old. We will presently go back to how it used to be (social workers be damned) I know they won't like it and frankly I don't give a damn. They can piss and moan all the way to extinction.
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 07:31:49

In regards to all the discussion of insurance, "The System" has been rigged to support corporations at the expense of individuals. It is required to pay the corporations a tax, which can drop services, for which you have pre-paid, at their whim. Now that society is starting to collapse, those who cannot continue to pay the tax to the corporations are having their property seized and rights revoked? The roads and infrastructure that they paid for with their tax money are no longer available to them for their use? How far do you recommend that society ostracize these people who can no longer pay the minimum tax to the corporations?
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 07:39:58

As far as humanly possible (note I did not say as humanely possible). The only way this is going to change is if enough sheeple get uncomfortable enough to stand up to these pricks. You and I both know, its gonna take more than a couple hundred or even thousand activists to get this changed, or any action on this. So, though it sucks we gotta let a whole lotta people suffer, cause otherwise no one will do a damned thing until its them that's hurting.

They are the only ones that can do anything about it, we can stand with them when the time comes, but they gotta stand up for themselves and stop being sheeple.

BTW, there was a recent class-action law suit against (I think) an east coast county for selling off peoples last possessions. I believe they were awarded something like 2.5 million. Now these people get a share of something more than they had, and they get to buy it new.
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 07:46:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '
')BTW, there was a recent class-action law suit against (I think) an east coast county for selling off peoples last possessions. I believe they were awarded something like 2.5 million. Now these people get a share of something more than they had, and they get to buy it new.


Lawsuit, shmawsuit. That doesn't even touch this problem. Only the Auto da Fe will resolve this one. Coming soon to a Theatre Near You.

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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 08:12:23

Its like that gawkers syndrome. When you can't help but stare at waht is befalling your fellow humans. Sort of like a car accident, just how grisly can it get, you wonder. It still seems pretty unreal. But there were people on here a long time ago who said just this, That those at the edge or who were already dangling from the bottom of the food chain would be the first casualties. Like any of us are going to do a damned thing about it.
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 09:14:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'S')o, one hits you while driving, sending you to the hospital and destroying thousands of dollars worth of your property; its ok, because they are currently the "victim of the day."

It's called no-fault insurance.
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 09:20:06

Do you think the poor rural ppl worry about 'auto insurance'? Some of you fucks have been living in the ivory tower way to long. When the crash hits hard, you bozos will be just like all the other piss ants. Deal with it. :lol:
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Unread postby MarkJ » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 10:03:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')No good deed goes unpunished.



Why don't they have higher (or rather, lower) standards for subsidized housing? Why would they give subsidized housing to people capable of paying for unsubsidized?


Because many purposely limit their official claimed income(s), or sell, transfer, exhaust or hide over-the-limit liquid/hard assets like properties, vehicles, bank accounts, registered/motorized toys etc.

For example, people may purposely work lower paying jobs, turn down promotions, work under the table jobs or collect passive unreported income streams in order to qualify for housing and other public assistance benefits.

Often people end up renting slumlord apartments in bad neighborhoods while they're on a multi-year waiting list for subsidized housing, or housing voucher subsidized rentals. Many of the private non owner occupied multi-family rentals which make up the majority of rental housing in some regions don't meet the safety inspection standards necessary to qualify for the housing voucher program.


Besides the bad condition of these rentals, many are uninsulated, poorly insulated, have old single pane windows, older grossly inefficient, grossly oversized heating systems, lead, asbestos, no appliances, old inefficient appliances, no parking, no off-street parking, no washer/dryer etc. The newer subsidized housing projects are like luxury condos in comparison to these places.

One local subsidized/ mixed income housing project has an estimated cost of over $200,000 per unit. No expense will be spared.
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 10:08:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')For example, people may purposely work lower paying jobs, turn down promotions..... in order to qualify for housing and other public assistance benefits.



You're claiming that people turn down higher paying jobs and promotions in order to get public assistance?


Sorry, I'm not buying it.
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 10:10:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')No good deed goes unpunished.



Why don't they have higher (or rather, lower) standards for subsidized housing? Why would they give subsidized housing to people capable of paying for unsubsidized?


Because many purposely limit their official claimed income(s), or sell, transfer, exhaust or hide over-the-limit liquid/hard assets like properties, vehicles, bank accounts, registered/motorized toys etc.

For example, people may purposely work lower paying jobs, turn down promotions, work under the table jobs or collect passive unreported income streams in order to qualify for housing and other public assistance benefits.

Often people end up renting slumlord apartments in bad neighborhoods while they're on a multi-year waiting list for subsidized housing, or housing voucher subsidized rentals. Many of the private non owner occupied multi-family rentals which make up the majority of rental housing in some regions don't meet the safety inspection standards necessary to qualify for the housing voucher program.


Besides the bad condition of these rentals, many are uninsulated, poorly insulated, have old single pane windows, older grossly inefficient, grossly oversized heating systems, lead, asbestos, no appliances, old inefficient appliances, no parking, no off-street parking, no washer/dryer etc. The newer subsidized housing projects are like luxury condos in comparison to these places.

One local subsidized/ mixed income housing project has an estimated cost of over $200,000 per unit. No expense will be spared.


They buy those $15 ele space heaters. I see it all the time. :lol:
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 10:41:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'Y')ou're claiming that people turn down higher paying jobs and promotions in order to get public assistance?

Sorry, I'm not buying it.


My aunt has an accounting degree from U of Texas. She owns a business where she prepares people's tax returns in a town outside of Austin. She told me about 4 years ago that the main reason she is 100% against welfare and public assistance is that she had many customers who would exclaim with anger, "What! I can't report that I make that much money! I'll lose my <<insert food stamps, welfare or whatever here>>!" So yes, it does happen.
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Unread postby Aaron » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 10:45:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'Y')ou're claiming that people turn down higher paying jobs and promotions in order to get public assistance?

Sorry, I'm not buying it.


My aunt has an accounting degree from U of Texas. She owns a business where she prepares people's tax returns in a town outside of Austin. She told me about 4 years ago that the main reason she is 100% against welfare and public assistance is that she had many customers who would exclaim with anger, "What! I can't report that I make that much money! I'll lose my <<insert food stamps, welfare or whatever here>>!" So yes, it does happen.


That wouldn't be these guys by any chance would it ?

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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 11:15:38

Ha! No.
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Unread postby MarkJ » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 11:50:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')For example, people may purposely work lower paying jobs, turn down promotions..... in order to qualify for housing and other public assistance benefits.



You're claiming that people turn down higher paying jobs and promotions in order to get public assistance?.


Absolutely, since a small increase in income could disqualify them, unless they have another child.

We've had plenty of employees that have turned down promotions due to harder work and much more responsibility as well.
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Unread postby deMolay » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 11:57:10

Seems the Obamavilles are growing in size and number. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ax-aVoism0&feature=related
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Unread postby MarkJ » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 12:05:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'Y')ou're claiming that people turn down higher paying jobs and promotions in order to get public assistance?

Sorry, I'm not buying it.


My aunt has an accounting degree from U of Texas. She owns a business where she prepares people's tax returns in a town outside of Austin. She told me about 4 years ago that the main reason she is 100% against welfare and public assistance is that she had many customers who would exclaim with anger, "What! I can't report that I make that much money! I'll lose my <<insert food stamps, welfare or whatever here>>!" So yes, it does happen.


Yes, many public assistance recipients use the online benefit/income/asset guides/calculators before applying for numerous public assistance benefits.

That way they know what to hide, sell, transfer, swap, adjust, report etc.

People grossly underestimate the street smarts of many public assistance recipients.
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Unread postby AgentR » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 12:09:19

I keep wondering about people that bring up Rush and Oxy. Why the heck are we so afraid of medication to alleviate chronic pain; yet spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on people to extend their lives at the very end? The same people that go nuts all over Rush and his problem, are the ones who on the opposite coast are all for pushing legalization of marijuana. Are we to assume its only ok to make people comfortable if they are left wing political activists?

I think the whole thing is BS. If you're in pain, you should have the right to go into a dang pharmacy and get $20 worth of drugs and have a decent night's sleep. You shouldn't have to jump through a half dozen hoops justifying your desire to be comfortable in the face of doctors terrified of being prosecuted for narcotics violations.
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Unread postby AgentR » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 12:34:42

So you are basically saying you are OK with people driving without auto insurance or some means to financially compensate victims of any accident they might cause?

nb... I'm just as opposed to rural people driving without insurance as I am these urban people under discussion.
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 12:38:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'S')o you are basically saying you are OK with people driving without auto insurance or some means to financially compensate victims of any accident they might cause?

nb... I'm just as opposed to rural people driving without insurance as I am these urban people under discussion.


NO fault insurance....

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o-fault insurance has the goal of lowering premium costs by avoiding expensive litigation over the causes of accidents, while providing quick payments for injuries. The victim's insurance company would only pay out the claim, while the driver-at-fault's insurance company would pay out a claim and charge that party a higher insurance premium as they are now higher risk.
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