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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby Fishman » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 16:26:59

Hmm, any special treatment for our undocumented guests from the south?
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby Jotapay » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 16:37:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'H')mm, any special treatment for our undocumented guests from the south?


The reporters said that the people in the camps were really upset about the illegals, because they get a free pass, basically. The cops don't do anything with them because the judges just let them go.
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Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Postby deMolay » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 16:39:43

More cities are seeing the rise of Obamavilles, tentcities. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/us/26tents.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby Jotapay » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 16:44:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilsNotWell', '1'). Thirdly, no mention is made of children being removed by CPS or other such happenings.
2. Same goes for driving without insurance...if you don't have insurance, police are duty bound to try and prevent that.

1. You didn't hear what I was listening to, then. I'll post audio/video later as I find it. The reporters were out there filming and interviewing today. They called in to the radio show to give reports on what they were seeing and hearing.

2. The state of California stole and auctioned this guy's last possessions while he was down on his luck. And he was a very well kept former marketing manager. This is one of the reasons why we had a revolution and wrote a constitution. I find your rationalizations for the legalized theft by state to be reprehensible.
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Postby MarkJ » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 17:03:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he growing encampments led the city to place portable toilets and security guards near one area known as New Jack City, named after a dark and drug-filled 1991 movie. But that just attracted more homeless people.

“It was just kind of an invitation to move in,” said Mr. Stack, the outreach center manager.



Subsidized housing, subsidized rentals, emergency housing and other social programs face similar issues. Rather than housing local residents, it attracts out of area residents, plus people currently renting or seeking non subsidized housing fill the subsidized housing rather than paying market rate rents.

When people learn it's easier to obtain subsidized housing, subsidized rentals, emergency housing or other benefits in particular regions, the word travels fast which exhausts the supply of available housing and funding .

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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby Ferretlover » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 17:40:39

HHHHhmm. HLN/CNN were running a story this morning about how Los Angeles Co was dumping all its homeless in Lancaster Co (which LA denies):
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Homeless in Lancaster get free tickets to go away
Nonprofit pays for people to bus to places where they have family or other support systems. Mayor R. Rex Parris says Lancaster has become a 'dumping ground' for other cities' homeless.
By Ann M. Simmons March 30, 2009:
Andrea and Greg Killgore were already living on the streets in Las Vegas when they decided to relocate to Lancaster in early March. They thought their job prospects would be better in California.
But the couple were unable to find work and feared they would soon end up back on the streets. A few days later, they were on a bus headed to Denver, where a relative had agreed to take them in. To their surprise, a local nonprofit group had agreed to pay for their one-way ticket out of town.
Since January, the Grace Resource Center has offered to cover transportation expenses for homeless people to return to their home states or wherever they have families or other means of support. So far the group has spent about $2,500 to help more than a dozen people leave Lancaster through the Opportunity Bus Pass Program. …

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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby AgentR » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 18:28:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'c')ompassion to carry insurance
This is the most twisted statement I've heard in a long time.

So, one hits you while driving, sending you to the hospital and destroying thousands of dollars worth of your property; its ok, because they are currently the "victim of the day."
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Postby Sixstrings » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 18:50:56

Yikes, these pics are starting to take on a Depression quality.
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(other than the filthy workspace, looks like a healthy meal though; there's some artisan bread there, and bottled water :roll: )
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Postby TWilliam » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 19:41:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'Y')ikes, these pics are starting to take on a Depression quality.


Mmmm... not quite...

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There, now it's looking more like it... :)
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Postby Ludi » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 20:44:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')No good deed goes unpunished.



Why don't they have higher (or rather, lower) standards for subsidized housing? Why would they give subsidized housing to people capable of paying for unsubsidized?
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities

Postby TheAntiDoomer » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 20:55:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'M')ore cities are seeing the rise of Obamavilles, tentcities. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/us/26tents.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper



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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby Tyler_JC » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 23:00:22

You shouldn't be allowed to drive a car without insurance and I believe most states don't let you.

It has NOTHING to do with your car and everything to do with the health and safety of the rest of the drivers on the road.

Thousands of people get hit by uninsured drivers every year. The victims are forced to pay for huge medical bills, to say nothing of the damage to their property. Car insurance protects the other people you hit from your carelessness.

I don't care how "down on their luck" they may be, the minute they start endangering my health and safety, I want them off the road.

I speak from personal experience here. My sister was hit by an illegal immigrant in SoCal last year. She was unharmed but her car went from VW beetle to squashed bug in the blink of an eye.

No insurance, no legitimate identification, no way of tracking him down. We were left with the entire bill for the damage and my sister's auto insurance rate went up despite the fact that she was rear-ended.
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby Jotapay » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 23:29:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I') speak from personal experience here. My sister was hit by an illegal immigrant in SoCal last year. She was unharmed but her car went from VW beetle to squashed bug in the blink of an eye.

No insurance, no legitimate identification, no way of tracking him down. We were left with the entire bill for the damage and my sister's auto insurance rate went up despite the fact that she was rear-ended.


I was about to write something totally different and then noticed that you did include illegals in your discussion. Can you comment on the fact that judges and the police are releasing illegals who have no insurance and interring homeless citizens?

Even with your lawyering, I still find it reprehensible that you would advocate seizing someone's last property available to them during this collapse and auctioning it because they could not afford insurance.

As someone who lived in a VW camper as an experiment for 9 months while I was in college, I find this disregard from those who are still housed towards the new homeless to be shameful. Shame on you. The fact that you condone the seizure and sale of their last property is vile and inhuman.

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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 00:20:06

Sounds like a bunch of random conservative tropes strung together. How about their children are being given for adoption by gay couples, and the pregnant women are being given forced abortions. Yeah that's the ticket.
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby ReverseEngineer » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 01:06:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I') speak from personal experience here. My sister was hit by an illegal immigrant in SoCal last year. She was unharmed but her car went from VW beetle to squashed bug in the blink of an eye. No insurance, no legitimate identification, no way of tracking him down. We were left with the entire bill for the damage and my sister's auto insurance rate went up despite the fact that she was rear-ended.
I was about to write something totally different and then noticed that you did include illegals in your discussion. Can you comment on the fact that judges and the police are releasing illegals who have no insurance and interring homeless citizens?
Even with your lawyering, I still find it reprehensible that you would advocate seizing someone's last property available to them during this collapse and auctioning it because they could not afford insurance.
As someone who lived in a VW camper as an experiment for 9 months while I was in college, I find this disregard from those who are still housed towards the new homeless to be shameful. Shame on you. The fact that you condone the seizure and sale of their last property is vile and inhuman.Karma will be a bitch.

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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby AgentR » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 01:14:58

Can't wait till one of you self righteous yahoos take a $20,000 hit because someone decides the rules don't apply to them and they need not have insurance or the financial means to compensate the victims that they may create on the road.

Frankly, I don't much approve of the auctioning and seizing... What they could do that would be adequate would be to take a sledge hammer to the axles of the previously mentioned RVs to prevent them from being driven on the roads which they have not right to be on. Would that be better?

Or do you guys really think these people should be allowed to drive their whatevers despite what law and common sense dictate.
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby Tyler_JC » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 02:02:44

I don't advocate stealing their property. I just don't want them driving without insurance. It's unfair to the law-abiding people.

It makes a lot more sense to take away their license plates (so they are conspicuous on the road) and let them stay in the parking lots of abandoned malls.

This gives them somewhere to live, does something useful with the abandoned spaces, and reduces risk for the rest of society.

Even better, we could put a couple hundred cots into the mall and turn it into a homeless shelter.
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 03:05:24

They should be dealth with just like any other person and their being down on their luck shouldn't enter into it. They should be towed off the road and have their licence plate taken away and they should have a wheel lock put on until they pay their insurance.

Its nothing personal, but they should be made to be responsible for their actions.
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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby ReverseEngineer » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 03:19:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'T')hey should be dealth with just like any other person and their being down on their luck shouldn't enter into it. They should be towed off the road and have their licence plate taken away and they should have a wheel lock put on until they pay their insurance.

Its nothing personal, but they should be made to be responsible for their actions.


So they should pay their insurance premium to AIG?

Automotive Insurance is another scam, legislated taxation of another form. Insurance companies manipulate these rates and skim enormous profits off the drivers by fudging the actuarial analysis of the risk. Driving is inherently a risky endeavor, if you do it the individual needs to bear the risk of doing it, not feed the Banksters more money through scams like this. If you are a bad driver, you will probably total your car at some point, and if you can't afford to get another one you are off the road. If you are unfortunate enough to get hit by a bad driver and have your car totalled, this is your problem. I personally have driven over 1 Million Miles in tractor trailers and automobiles without an accident, I see no reason I need to pay insurance money to AIG. I see no reason anyone else needs to pay insurance either, so I can sue them if they hit me. If I can't stay out of the way of bad drivers, this is my problem. Get rid of the lawsuits, get rid of the insurance.

In any event, this is not going to be a problem much longer, as we won't have all that many automobiles on the road with no auto companies in business to produce them.

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Re: Homeless being sent to camps in CA

Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 03:38:45

Quite correct, it won't be a problem much longer. The point of insurance has become a punitive one. The person with nothing to loose has precisely nothing to loose.

The mindset is that if you have nothing to loose (IE: increased insurance rates for years) then you will drive like you have nothing to loose. This is easily and most evidently seen by people who will drive more aggressively against people in nice cars, because they have a lot to loose as opposed to those who don't care if their car gets another dent.

So maybe you should start paying these premiums to your state, since this is a legal issue. Sueing someone cause they hit your car won't work if they put you in the hospital, its costly and you will already have enough to pay with the medical bills. Besides, I am sure there are other more reputable insurance companies other than AIG.

I too (knock on wood) have a stellar driving history. While I may not have driven as much as you, I have had professional drivers in my car compliment me on my skills. Having the care and responsibility for driving the kids from my Air Cadet squadron is all the ego boost I need.
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