$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '.')..One of the signifying marks of a true bully victim relationship is a significant power imbalance together with an inability to develop an appreciation of the opposition's or victim's reality. The bully doesn't have to, so simply doesn't do it.
This is why I think it's imperative that Israel, collectively, finally come to understand that it has more to lose by failing to negotiate in good faith. They will eventually understand that the costs of occupation far outweigh the benefits of leaving the territories.
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up
by Nickel » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 21:52:37
I think this is the second great tragedy to come out of the Holocaust. Surviving Jewry might have taken the moment to become the holiest of peoples, really walking the talk. And some do, no question; there are plenty who can see beyond their own horizons. But not most. For most, "Never again!" extends no further than to the "Chosen People"... not everyone, as it should, as it must. And so they were able to justify stealing someone else's home. And so they were able to justify taking more land on the basis that others objected. And so they will justify the most heinous crimes against humanity... the very things that were perpetrated against them within living memory. We've seen ghettos, disenfranchisement, lost of citizenship and human rights, laws against intermarriage, concentration camps, casual murder under military occupation... Lord, the only thing we haven't seen yet are the actual showers and ovens.
Am I supposed to feel sorry for people who indulge in such galling hypocrisy? Am I supposed to side with them? Well, I'm sorry... I can't. Israel exists, and I don't want to see it destroyed, but the truth is it should never have been imposed on the Palestinians whose home it already was. And the Israelis have got to come to terms with that. One day, they have to let those people come home, and do what it takes to make it work. This can't ever end till that happens.
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up
by Eli » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 00:05:30
There is no peace between the Palestinians and Israel. One or the other has to go.
Every man woman and child has to be killed or there is no hope for peace. The Palestinians have lost too much and demand blood for all that they have lost and all that they suffer.
The Israelis have too much to lose, their dream of a secular Jewish state is at stake and they will never give up on that dream.
Until we see an all out war of total annihilation in which no quarter is given and those who hold rifles or suckle at their mothers breast are seen as one and the same, this will never end.
Every man woman and child has to be killed or there is no hope for peace. The Palestinians have lost too much and demand blood for all that they have lost and all that they suffer.
The Israelis have too much to lose, their dream of a secular Jewish state is at stake and they will never give up on that dream.
Until we see an all out war of total annihilation in which no quarter is given and those who hold rifles or suckle at their mothers breast are seen as one and the same, this will never end.
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up
by threadbear » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 00:10:18
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'T')here is no peace between the Palestinians and Israel. One or the other has to go.
Every man woman and child has to be killed or there is no hope for peace. The Palestinians have lost too much and demand blood for all that they have lost and all that they suffer.
The Israelis have too much to lose, their dream of a secular Jewish state is at stake and they will never give up on that dream.
Until we see an all out war of total annihilation in which no quarter is given and those who hold rifles or suckle at their mothers breast are seen as one and the same, this will never end.
Every man woman and child has to be killed or there is no hope for peace. The Palestinians have lost too much and demand blood for all that they have lost and all that they suffer.
The Israelis have too much to lose, their dream of a secular Jewish state is at stake and they will never give up on that dream.
Until we see an all out war of total annihilation in which no quarter is given and those who hold rifles or suckle at their mothers breast are seen as one and the same, this will never end.
Dude, don't drink the kool-aid. All Israel has to do is leave the occupied territories. It's not a political Gordion knot.
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up
by threadbear » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 00:13:50
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('James Kuntsler', 'U')ntil the last few days of the year, that is. I'm sure the ever-growing cohort of American anti-semites who send me emails will be tickled when I assert that the Hamas rocket attacks against Israel of recent days guaranteed a sharp response from Israel -- and now, of course, Hamas is playing the crybaby card: "... what'd we do to deserve this...?" Well, you farking fired a bunch rockets into Israel. Did you ever hear of cause-and-effect?
Funny, even old die-hard liberal James Kuntsler gets it.
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Kunstler's opinion is perfect because it represents exactly what I'm talking about. To him Hamas point of view, and the day to day reality of Palestinian life is utterly irrelevent. His description of events is from the viewpoint of the bully, the thug. Not only has he not walked in the Palestinians shoes, in his own mind, he discounts their humanity.
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