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The mother of all riots

Unread postby bluster2000 » Wed 26 Nov 2008, 09:23:04

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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby GeneralGreen » Wed 26 Nov 2008, 10:07:40

Summer 2009...i vote the dogs days around late August their will be a few riots esp in large black cities like LA,Detroit,Atlanta...paris ect..Blacks generally -historically riot in hot weather.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Wed 26 Nov 2008, 10:13:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 'r')eykjavik.
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Hmm, I don't know if this is widespread and violent enough to count as a proper riot. The riot I saw in Berkeley was much more extreme. This one had only 5 injuries, and overall it sounds more like a typical angry protest than a riot. It definitely qualifies as caused by economic factors, though. Are there other examples of rioting in Reykjavik currently?

Food Riots have been going on for quite a while in the smaller countries first hit by the Tsunami, Iceland is just another domino of small countries beign affected by the economic meltdown.

IMHO, you have to limit this to the major cities worldwide, in the US places like NY, LA, Chicago, Atlanta et al. Overseas, London, Paris, Moscow, Tokyo, Beijing, etc.

I think you also need to set some numerical limits of riot participants, minimum maybe 1000? Also level of violence minimums, property destroyed in $ or lives lost.

Little riots are already happening everywhere. Its the BIG ones that are coming that are the Canary in the Coal Mine for total anarchy. When LA goes up in Flames, then we know for sure TSHTF.

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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Wed 26 Nov 2008, 10:19:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GeneralGreen', 'B')lacks generally -historically riot in hot weather.


Based on this analysis and Iceland, I guess your hypothesis would also be that White People Riot in the Wintertime?

Do we really need this kind of racial stereotyping on the board? Its utterly shallow analysis, and pathetically parochial in the thought process behind it.

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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Fri 28 Nov 2008, 11:45:22

Real riots are about using mob violence to grab stuff.

The factors to consider are:

- the availability of stuff to grab
- who possesses the means for overwhelming violence, mob or anti-mob.
- the size of the potential mob
- the mindset of the potential mob

Thus, the size and duration of any riot is determined by who can apply the most violence the quickest for the greatest loot. Overwhelming violence applied to any riot extinguishes it. The quicker it's applied, the quicker the riot dies.

Apply that to various cities.

Seattle: Size of potential mob is small. Mindset is poor. Stuff to grab is concentrated. Anti-mob forces cannot apply violence quickly or overwhelmingly.

Houston: Size of potential mob is large. Mindset of potential mob is good due to plenty of poor hispanics and blacks. Stuff to grab is geographically spread out. Anti-mob forces can summon overwhelming violence very fast because most of the citizenry is armed.

Los Angleles: Size of potential mob is large. Mindset of potential mob is good due to plenty of poor hispanics and blacks. Stuff to grab is geographically spread out. Anti-mob forces cannot summon overwhelming violence very fast because most of the citizenry is unarmed.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 28 Nov 2008, 13:37:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'm')ost of the citizenry is unarmed.


And heavily armed rioting citizens would be better how exactly?
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby Nickel » Fri 28 Nov 2008, 13:57:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', 'i')'m wondering what state will be the first to default on their debt.
Bloomberg on California debt California has $51 billion in debt. think that will all be repaid ?


That's really not so much. California has a population roughly the same as Canada's, but we have a total federal, provincial, and municipal debt about twelve times that large (albeit denominated in CDN$).
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby Nickel » Fri 28 Nov 2008, 14:01:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'O')verwhelming violence applied to any riot extinguishes it. The quicker it's applied, the quicker the riot dies.


Yeah, just look at Fort Sumter.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby Cloud9 » Fri 28 Nov 2008, 15:58:02

I am not sure Ft. Sumpter qualifies as a riot.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 10:00:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'A')nd heavily armed rioting citizens would be better how exactly?


That's my point. Heavily armed citizens don't riot. The guns cause the violence to escalate so quickly that the riot self-extinguishes.

Everyone runs indoors and hunkers down to avoid the gunfire. There are not hours and hours of low-intensity violence with roving mobs busting out windows, beating passers-by, setting fires, and looting stores and homes.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby misterno » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 11:02:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', 'i')'m wondering what state will be the first to default on their debt.
Bloomberg on California debt California has $51 billion in debt. think that will all be repaid ?


That's really not so much. California has a population roughly the same as Canada's, but we have a total federal, provincial, and municipal debt about twelve times that large (albeit denominated in CDN$).


$51 BN is just the state debt. If you add California's portion of US federal debt, you will see that Canada's total debt is just so small compared to California.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby Quinny » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 17:06:18

Incredible logic. LMAO.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'A')nd heavily armed rioting citizens would be better how exactly?


That's my point. Heavily armed citizens don't riot. The guns cause the violence to escalate so quickly that the riot self-extinguishes.

Everyone runs indoors and hunkers down to avoid the gunfire. There are not hours and hours of low-intensity violence with roving mobs busting out windows, beating passers-by, setting fires, and looting stores and homes.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby idiom » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 17:20:21

Dead Men don't riot.

Lenins third law or something.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 18:04:28

We had an aunt living in Homestead during Andrew. I remember the You Loot We Shoot signs on what was left of some people's homes.

The one sign that caused the most contemplation stated: You Loot We Eat.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 18:35:32

Do police riots count for the definition here?

In most cases I've seen, the only ones using force against other persons are the cops. Carrying on about the likelihood of citizen riots skews the whole discussion towards an assumption that we need heavily armed police to control people standing up for their rights.

There should be a whole lot more outrage everywhere about the institutionalized robbery that our economy and government has become.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot... ATHENS!!

Unread postby Quinny » Sun 07 Dec 2008, 09:24:18

Anybody choose Athens??
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby GeneralGreen » Sun 07 Dec 2008, 09:53:08

I read that 1 US County in any state -USA has more weapons and ammo then George Washingtons entire army had during the war from 1775-1783.
If Detroit dont get more then 15B they will sink...And Detroit will be withourt massave revenue....and come summer...historically black cities with high unemployment will riot.
If not Detroit I expect Some Calf city come summer to riot. Likely LA
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 05:36:05

Third day of Rioting in Athens

ATHENS (Reuters) - Greece braced for a third day of demonstrations on Monday after the fatal shooting by police of a teenager triggered underlying anger over the Conservative government's economic policies and the worst rioting in decades.

Thousands clashed with police and rampaged through Athens and other cities this weekend, destroying scores of businesses, injuring dozens and piling pressure on the conservative government, whose ratings have already been hit by a slowdown.

"Athens and Thessaloniki under siege" said daily Eleftheros Typos on its front page, while Apogevmatini newspaper headlined: "48 hours of horror."

Despite the arrest of two police officers for the killing of the 15-year-old boy, the Greek Communist Party announced a mass rally in central Athens for Monday evening and the socialist PASOK opposition, which has taken the lead in opinion polls recently, called for peaceful mass demonstrations.

Cars and pedestrians returned to Athens streets as Greeks went back to work, but the mood was tense. In the main shopping street, Ermou, a police team began to assess the destruction.

"It is quiet now but I've never seen anything like it in my life. People overreacted," said Yiorgos Ganatsikos, 52, a kiosk owner. "I hope they don't continue. Otherwise, God help us."

With a 24-hour general strike scheduled for Wednesday against pension reforms and the government's economic policies, many Greeks fear the demonstrations could last for days.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby idiom » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 06:19:31

Does Athens win? Damn.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 09:27:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'P')ick your city one and all. When four moderators/administrators agree that a particular city is the first to a) riot and b) due to economic factors we will declare the winners.



Police shooting a kid is not exactly "economic factors"... But make a case and well see if we can get four mods/admins to agree?
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