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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby seldom_seen » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 01:24:07

From what I understand Microsoft has teamed up with the Government's TIA (Total Information Awareness) program.

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They will be selling Win7 at substantially lower costs than other versions of Windows as the price is offset by the huge government contract they have landed to sell the user data to the Government program. This data will also be packaged and sold to Corporations and Marketing companies or even foreign governments.

The Windows 7 keystroke logger will basically record every tap of the keyboard in to a government database. Furthermore the government will be able to decrypt all encrypted communications given its access to secret key information through keystroke logging.

The TIA office says that with Windows 7 and it's partnership with Google analytics we should see a substantial reduction in terrorist threats.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 01:35:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', 'M')y computer just crapped out an hour ago, using my sisters machine. Must have dropped it down 1 flight of stairs too many. I may be looking for a replacement if I can't fix the old one. Any suggestions?
As I am heading home tomorrow (location not disclosed), you'd better post soon.
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Dell has some new decent and cheap laptops. Asus isn't too terrible a choice
Those new Dell minis may have a tiny screen, but they get great battery life and are alot quicker charge per for solar.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 01:39:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'F')rom what I understand Microsoft has teamed up with the Government's TIA (Total Information Awareness) program.

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They will be selling Win7 at substantially lower costs than other versions of Windows as the price is offset by the huge government contract they have landed to sell the user data to the Government program. This data will also be packaged and sold to Corporations and Marketing companies or even foreign governments.

The Windows 7 keystroke logger will basically record every tap of the keyboard in to a government database. Furthermore the government will be able to decrypt all encrypted communications given its access to secret key information through keystroke logging.

The TIA office says that with Windows 7 and it's partnership with Google analytics we should see a substantial reduction in terrorist threats.



They have done this for years
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 10:19:48

I guess Windows XP is going to be the last Windows operating system that I use. I will miss the gaming on Windows, but I'm not going to have everything mined that I do. I refused to use Vista, in part because I hate the DRM functionality.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 10:21:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', 'I') may be looking for a replacement if I can't fix the old one. Any suggestions?


Voice of experience: Seriously- build your own if you can. I made the mistake of buying a prebuilt and it's been a total nightmare. It came with Vista pre-installed. First off you don't get the Vista disk with the computer, you have to order those and pay $20 to Gateway. Even then you can't do a clean install of the OS without 50 some pieces of crapware installing that you then have to go back one by one and delete. Each of those programs leaves litter in the system registry and such so it doesn't quite ever work right. I was going to retrofit it with XP, but I found out that all the hardware is Gateway proprietary crap and there's no XP drivers for it. It's horrible. The thing is SUPER buggy. It locks up at least once a day to where I have to unplug it. Vista nags me almost constantly wanting me to reboot because it's installed some new patch, yet none of them seem to have anything with making the OS into something besides a total turd. I'm probably going to replace the motherboard soon so that I can go back to XP. I really should have just assembled one from parts myself in the first place.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 10:25:01

From an IT standpoint, there is absolutely no reason to use Vista. There are several compelling reasons not to use it, like 1) it's a bloated pig using too much overhead which unnecessarily requires new hardware, 2) it's buggy, 3) it has a lot of corporate-fascist spyware, as noted above.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby davep » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 10:26:13

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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby kakkerlak » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 10:31:18

Try GNU/Linux. It is completely free (as in freedom), no evil corporations attempting to decide what you do with your computer and it is secure. When you use GNU/Linux you don't have to worry about viruses, spyware and other unwanted stuff on your computer. By using GNU/Linux you are in control! You are the boss! Not Micro$oft!

I'm using GNU/Linux for about 8 years now and i didn't have to reboot my server a single time in that period. Not a single virus was able to penetrate my "non existant" defenses. And my computers are old and slow but they appear to be the next generation supercomputers compared to Windows Vista.

Try Ubuntu....it's very user friendly. Or be a genius once more by using Debian. Micro$oft is evil!
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 10:44:37

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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 10:47:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', 'I') may be looking for a replacement if I can't fix the old one. Any suggestions?

Voice of experience: Seriously- build your own if you can. I made the mistake of buying a prebuilt and it's been a total nightmare. It came with Vista pre-installed. First off you don't get the Vista disk with the computer, you have to order those and pay $20 to Gateway. Even then you can't do a clean install of the OS without 50 some pieces of crapware installing that you then have to go back one by one and delete. Each of those programs leaves litter in the system registry and such so it doesn't quite ever work right. I was going to retrofit it with XP, but I found out that all the hardware is Gateway proprietary crap and there's no XP drivers for it. It's horrible. The thing is SUPER buggy. It locks up at least once a day to where I have to unplug it. Vista nags me almost constantly wanting me to reboot because it's installed some new patch, yet none of them seem to have anything with making the OS into something besides a total turd. I'm probably going to replace the motherboard soon so that I can go back to XP. I really should have just assembled one from parts myself in the first place

How about server 2000? I got me a copy of that.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 10:48:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m using GNU/Linux for about 8 years now and i didn't have to reboot my server a single time in that period. Not a single virus was able to penetrate my "non existant" defenses. And my computers are old and slow but they appear to be the next generation supercomputers compared to Windows Vista.


You said that no virus ever penetrated your non-existent defenses, but that doesn't sound like a very good plan. It may be that you never checked and wouldn't be aware if someone did get into your computer.

I messed around with Linux a lot about three years ago. I like it a lot, especially for the shell scripting and the fact that you can install and schedule services to run like a server. But I was shocked to see that when I installed it, Linux had absolutely no firewall configured. Iptables was installed, but had no rules. That is totally unacceptable. I was able to write a good set of rule filters after doing some research, but my computer was completely exposed to the outside world. If people aren't tech-savvy, I can see how they can get themselves into trouble with Linux.

Having said that, I will probably start using Ubuntu or something similar in a few years. I love the fact that you can schedule your own shell scripts and Java programs, and install MySQL if you want to store your data and track everything.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 10:51:35

Has anyone ever used an iPhone 3G? I suppose nobody sees the practical benefit of something like this. They just think all location data will be centrally logged for nefarious purposes. It's your loss.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby kakkerlak » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 11:42:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'Y')ou said that no virus ever penetrated your non-existent defenses, but that doesn't sound like a very good plan. It may be that you never checked and wouldn't be aware if someone did get into your computer.

haha....that's so very true.

In all honesty i'm pretty sure there are viruses and spyware on the server. But they are harmless under GNU/Linux. Crackers/hackers are a different story. I didn't protect myself good enough against them, mostly because i'm too lazy to configure a firewall. :O

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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby Arsenal » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 12:01:01

Linux is by far more secure out of the box than Windows. Services are not automatically started, users don't have superuser rights, etc... I feel you can do a whole lot more with Linux. Here are a few things I have done.

My Motion Detecting/Recording Cameras 1 of 4 direct url

Temperture/Humidity Monitoring

Digital Photo Albums

The list continues. Nagios system monitoring for clients, Torrentflux server, Squid web proxies, etc....
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 14:40:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arsenal', 'L')inux is by far more secure out of the box than Windows. Services are not automatically started, users don't have superuser rights, etc... I feel you can do a whole lot more with Linux. Here are a few things I have done.

My Motion Detecting/Recording Cameras 1 of 4 direct url

Temperture/Humidity Monitoring

Digital Photo Albums

The list continues. Nagios system monitoring for clients, Torrentflux server, Squid web proxies, etc....


That is pretty cool. What hardware did you use for that? Did you write your own software or did it come with software that you just had to configure?

I've got a really nifty Panasonic network camera that has an ftp client and a webserver inside it. It was only $80 from Newegg. It has a lot of horsepower for being such a small, inexpensive device. I configured it to ftp pics to my website/webserver when it detects motion, and I coded a web page that I can check from anywhere to view/delete/save any uploaded pics.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby Arsenal » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 14:58:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'T')hat is pretty cool. What hardware did you use for that? Did you write your own software or did it come with software that you just had to configure?
I've got a really nifty Panasonic network camera that has an ftp client and a webserver inside it. It was only $80 from Newegg. It has a lot of horsepower for being such a small, inexpensive device. I configured it to ftp pics to my website/webserver when it detects motion, and I coded a web page that I can check from anywhere to view/delete/save any uploaded pics.

The camera pc is a P4 2.4GHz with 2GB of ram (not the most powerful for cameras but it works) with the following:
Bluecherry 4 Port 120fps Video Capture Card Natively supported in Linux with the bttv driver.

Four Analog Cameras. (B/W, B/W with infrared, and two Color)

Free Motion Tracking Software called Zoneminder.

The card handles the encoding of the analog signal so the CPU can handle the SQL, Apache part of Zoneminder. The Linux OS that I use for servers is Debian. Very stable. My last reboot was when the power went off 256 days ago. :) I love the fact that I know who knocks on my front door or who comes in and out. You would be surprised what happens at 3am. Couple this with X10 and you have a pretty efficient security system that can notify your cell when doors are opened or anything you can think of. :)

If anyone is interested I can help set a system up if you get the hardware. Total cost if you already have the computer is about $300 for a 2 camera system.

Jotapay. Zoneminder also works with network cameras and has a much better interface for motion than ftping pics to a server.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 15:33:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arsenal', 'J')otapay. Zoneminder also works with network cameras and has a much better interface for motion than ftping pics to a server.

Thanks for showing me that stuff, I'm going to check it out.

I FTP pics to a server off-site because I want to be able to view the pics from anywhere and have the pics not at the same location. I have to ftp pics at a 3 frames per second rate because anything faster and the ftp transmission starts to get behind.

I've been thinking about adding more cameras, but wanted to do it wirelessly if possibly. I'd have to buy several hundred feet of wire if I added two extra cameras.

So Zoneminder has an Apache webserver in it? It seems to display images from the camera very quickly. It seems like you're serving that camera image from the Debian PC at your house and have dynamic network addressing to get that domain name to point to the IP address at your house?
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby Arsenal » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 15:44:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'S')o Zoneminder has an Apache webserver in it? It seems to display images from the camera very quickly. It seems like you're serving that camera image from the Debian PC at your house and have dynamic network addressing to get that domain name to point to the IP address at your house?

Zoneminder runs on top of Apache and MYSQL which runs on Debian (for me). The refresh rate for the cameras can be controlled for outside users so they don't suck your bandwidth up while still recording at 30fps (full motion video). The neat thing about Zoneminder is you can have the main server to record everything and then setup an offsite server to mirror the recordings in real time so even if they take the machine you still have all the video. :)

I have Com(suck the money out of you)cast but it is pretty quick. I use dyndns.org to point the dynamic IP to my house. Free and easy. That's my name. :twisted:

Wireless cameras have been a pain when I have used them. Great for just getting a picture but as far as recording motion from them.... They suck. Any interference (scrolling lines) is considered motion by Zoneminder so it records a bunch of nothing. Stick with wired analog or wired/wireless IP cameras. Wireless analog sucks.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby TWilliam » Thu 27 Nov 2008, 15:55:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', 'I') may be looking for a replacement if I can't fix the old one. Any suggestions?

Kpeavey I can't really comment on hardware much, beyond noting that most widely available 'mainstream' names should be pretty reliable. Dell used to be worth the extra money for their excellent tech support, but once they outsourced that to the Third World it went straight into the toilet, so I no longer see them as being worth it. I used to avoid Compaq like the plague because of their tendency to 'proprietize' their hardware, but since their merge with HP they've largely gone 'off-the-shelf'. I've been running on an HP/Compaq for a little over two years now with (knock on wood) no problems.

As far as the OS, the only reason I still have Winbloze (XP) on my system --I have a dual-boot setup along with Ubuntu Linux-- is for the occasional gaming, and because of my Audible subscription. If I wanted to spend the time dicking with WINE (a Windows 'emulator'), I probably wouldn't even need it for those, but I don't use either enough to make it worth the trouble, so I keep the dual-boot.

Repartitioning my drive and installing Linux was the first thing I did with my system when I got it home. It does take at least some minimal tech savvy to set up a dual boot, but IMO it's the best way to go if there's any Winbloze software you just can't do without; WINE is substandard at best IMO (tho' that impression may be due in large part to my unwillingness to wade through the copious amounts of configuration details).

I've tried several, tho' by no means all of the innumerable 'flavors' of Linux out there, and I'd have to say that Ubuntu is probably at present the most user-friendly distro. You can download it from here. It comes as an ISO file which you can burn to a CD. What you'll then have is what is known as a 'live CD' version, which is a fully bootable OS that will run entirely from the CD itself (assuming your hardware is capable) and let you 'test drive' Ubuntu without needing to install anything to your hard drive (keep in mind that it will not run as fast as it would if installed). If you decide you like it, you can install it from within the 'virtual' OS, or you can log out, eject the disk and reboot into your 'regular' system.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'Y')ou said that no virus ever penetrated your non-existent defenses, but that doesn't sound like a very good plan. It may be that you never checked and wouldn't be aware if someone did get into your computer.

Jotapay most Linux systems are 'defensive' by default, even without any firewall rules defined. The thing that makes Winbloze so vulnerable (apart from its ubiquity and general uniformity across deployments) is the fact that there are often a half dozen or more 'net aware' (meaning remotely accessible) services running after a default install, most of which users are only indirectly aware of, if at all. Linux, by contrast, generally operates with a 'closed door' policy with regard to web services, meaning that the user has to actually enable them. I know of no Linux distributions at present that produce a default installation with any 'web aware' services running. Like the system you described, I have absolutely no rules defined in my iptables, yet a check at grc.com's ShieldsUP! port probe shows my machine to be completely 'stealthed' (i.e. non-accessible for exploit), because I have no web services of any kind running.

An additional 'built-in' defense of Linux is simply the fact that there are so many different versions of it, with an effectively infinite number of configurations available. This makes it difficult for any virii to gain much traction in the Linux 'webspace'. While individual machines might be targeted for exploit, most web virii depend on the uniform configurations found on the vast majority of Winbloze machines for their rapid proliferation. Unless they believe you have something of value on your system, most 'script-kiddie' hackers simply aren't interested. They stick with the low-hanging fruit that is Winbloze...
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