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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Fri 28 Nov 2008, 16:39:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'T')he ultimate goal of the operating enviroment world, is to make everything web based. All everyone will be doing is operating a terminal and all of their data will sit on a server that is open to the government.
And that's a great idea becauuuuuse... ???

Then we can track people and make sure they are not terrorist. We need to prevent people from independent thought in order to insure the safety of the empire.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby TWilliam » Fri 28 Nov 2008, 16:50:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'T')hen we can track people and make sure they are not terrorist. We need to prevent people from independent thought in order to insure the safety of the empire.

Ummm yeaaaa...

Here's a novel idea for governments (or rather, corporations with government sanction) of the world: QUIT F#CKING PEOPLE. Then you won't have to worry about them becoming 'terrorists'...

Yea yea, I know... 'dream on'... :roll:
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Fri 28 Nov 2008, 17:40:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'T')hen we can track people and make sure they are not terrorist. We need to prevent people from independent thought in order to insure the safety of the empire.
Ummm yeaaaa... Here's a novel idea for governments (or rather, corporations with government sanction) of the world: QUIT F#CKING PEOPLE. Then you won't have to worry about them becoming 'terrorists'... Yea yea, I know... 'dream on'... :roll:

Sir, in the future you should try to be more complacent or you will be detained for you own safety.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby TWilliam » Fri 28 Nov 2008, 18:09:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'S')ir, in the future you should try to be more complacent or you will be detained for you own safety.

I'm ALREADY 'detained'. This whole f#cking CULTURE is one big impediment...

ANYway... can we get back to the Micro$oft bashing now? :P
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 02:24:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'M')aybe you dont see any value add in LUA, Bitlocker, TPM support, CryptoAPI real entropy generation, Active directory policy management, etc...


I have no idea what those things are. Actually I can think of a few things that Microsucks could do to improve XP. They could enable the RAID functionality that was built into XP but required a hack to enable. They could finally take the plunge and transition to 64 bit so hardware manufacturers would be forced to come up with 64 bit drivers. They could build anti-virus functionality into the OS instead of relying on third party software. Instead of actually increasing functionality, we get the Aero interface and an OS that crashes every six hours. Fins and chrome.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby TWilliam » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 05:28:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')nstead of actually increasing functionality, we get the Aero interface and an OS that crashes every six hours. Fins and chrome.


But... but... SPG my dear woman... that's the American Way[sup]TM[/sup]! Never mind the pig, what matters is how pretty its lipstick is... :roll:
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby Dezakin » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 06:13:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'M')aybe you dont see any value add in LUA, Bitlocker, TPM support, CryptoAPI real entropy generation, Active directory policy management, etc...
I have no idea what those things are.

Well of course not. You aren't the target market since you either don't play games, don't have to do corporate IT management, and don't want to use the OEM OS, and apparently don't care about security; Which is fine, as an end user its not something you have to care about.

That you don't know what LUA is means that you aren't qualified to criticize Vista however, since you obviously are completely unfamiliar with the OS.

These features however do drive sales in corporate/government environments.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ctually I can think of a few things that Microsucks could do to improve XP. They could enable the RAID functionality that was built into XP but required a hack to enable. They could finally take the plunge and transition to 64 bit so hardware manufacturers would be forced to come up with 64 bit drivers.

You do realize Vista is 64-bit right?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey could build anti-virus functionality into the OS instead of relying on third party software.

Microsoft has anti-virus support. Windows Defender is built into the OS as an anti-spyware support and Windows Livecare is avaliable for anti-virus support.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nstead of actually increasing functionality, we get the Aero interface and an OS that crashes every six hours. Fins and chrome.
How do you manage to crash Vista every six hours? I'm sure it can be done, with bad drivers on faulty hardware, as I've worked on such systems and ended up sending bugs to the system vendors, but its very rarely the OS itself.

Your concerns are either specious, since you obviously dont actually use Vista, minor usability issues from a target market that wouldn't buy Vista anyways. There are many ways Windows could be better besides fins and chrome, and many of those features are being worked on. I doubt you'll care about any of them. For instance, full hypervisor functionality for strong attestation is valuable for assuring system integrity. You couldn't care less about that because you don't understand what it is or what it means. And end user would only know that it prevents many types of spyware and virus attacks, while an IT professional would know why it does that. Full virtualization support allows rapid development/testing and systems isolation. Currently there is some support for virtualization but it could be (and will be) much more comprehensive. If you don't care about systems isolation (or multi-os support) you might not care about virtualization either.

This is not 'fins and chrome.' Neither is hardware supported strong entropy generation integrated into CAPI, but again thats something you wouldn't care about. You would care about it if it wasn't done however and it was disclosed in several years that the entropy seed for a wide class of computers wasn't actually random after all and anyone could read anyones encrypted data by just taking apart the not-so random seed. You might not care about Bitlocker, but probably would if your insurance company had one of their laptops stolen with much of your financial information on it avaliable to the highest bidding identity thieves.

Now Linux (and many other alternative OS's) offer a number of features I can't find in Windows, and I'm qualified to say what those advantages are. Customization is one, as is full access to the source code for OS development. Windows isn't a realtime OS and isn't suitable for applications that demand that response profile. Windows doesn't do SSI clustering, and some MOSIX like variant is far more suitable for that. If I were writing applications for supercomputers, embedded systems, or that had realtime scheduling demands I certainly wouldn't use Windows as the base, at least not today. These systems don't do what Windows does for corporate and end user OS demands however.

You obviously aren't a systems engineer and I dont expect you to understand understand these markets or the technical and financial value of these features. Just be aware that you're simply spouting a bunch of unfounded opinions on the direction of OS development and design, and this applies to any other OS as well.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby TWilliam » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 14:33:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'C')urrently there is some support for virtualization but it could be (and will be) much more comprehensive [in Windows].

Meanwhile, it's already possible to run at least up to XP (dunno if it's doable with Vista yet) in a virtual machine hosted on a Linux box. One can even eliminate the need for dual-booting by running the Windows partition in a VM.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hese systems don't do what Windows does for corporate and end user OS demands however.

I respectfully disagree. See my post upthread wherein I hand JR back his @ss regarding this and related issues. Specifically regarding 'end user demands', as I already pointed out, the Linux versions of Solitaire and Mahjong work every bit as well as the Windows versions... :razz:

Incidentally speaking of security, here's a nice little blog item from Bruce Schneier, founder and CTO of Counterpane Internet Security, Inc., regarding Open Source and Security.

(Good blog btw if it's an area of interest...)
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby Dezakin » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 21:41:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'C')urrently there is some support for virtualization but it could be (and will be) much more comprehensive [in Windows].

Meanwhile, it's already possible to run at least up to XP (dunno if it's doable with Vista yet) in a virtual machine hosted on a Linux box. One can even eliminate the need for dual-booting by running the Windows partition in a VM.

This has been possible on windows for years and is free with Vista and XP. Stronger support for virtualization means more hardware support, integrated virtualization of graphics hardware, etcetera.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hese systems don't do what Windows does for corporate and end user OS demands however.

I respectfully disagree. See my post upthread wherein I hand JR back his @ss regarding this and related issues. Specifically regarding 'end user demands', as I already pointed out, the Linux versions of Solitaire and Mahjong work every bit as well as the Windows versions... :razz:

End user demands in a corporate environment are a bit more than this. For example assigning group policy to enforce full volume encryption in a corporate domain.

This isn't to say that you Linux is incapable of running in a corporate environment or that its not a good OS, but there are a number of features that just aren't in Linux that are of high value. I somewhat doubt you actually have the expertise to make qualitative criticisms about the competitiveness of Windows versus Linux.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ncidentally speaking of security, here's a nice little blog item from Bruce Schneier, founder and CTO of Counterpane Internet Security, Inc., regarding Open Source and Security.

(Good blog btw if it's an area of interest...)
Yes, one of my collegues worked with Schneier developing Twofish. Proprietary algorithms are bad, and now Microsoft avoids proprietary crypto algorithms.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 23:49:51

I have no patience for or interest in computer stuff, but my companion is a degreed IT professional, extremely knowledgeable. He laughs at the very notion of computer security. If you think you are secure, you are living an illusion. Just assume that everything you do on a computer is an open book or a potential open book, and you'll be just fine.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby Arsenal » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 23:51:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') have no patience for or interest in computer stuff, but my companion is a degreed IT professional, extremely knowledgeable. He laughs at the very notion of computer security. If you think you are secure, you are living an illusion. Just assume that everything you do on a computer is an open book or a potential open book, and you'll be just fine.


+1.. The only "secure" computer is one that is unplugged and encased in concrete. :)
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby GoghGoner » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 00:28:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '
')End user demands in a corporate environment are a bit more than this. For example assigning group policy to enforce full volume encryption in a corporate domain.


Are you talking about BitLocker? I don't see how somebody could use group policy for something that happens before Windows boots up.

There are full volume encryption solutions for Linux.

I am on my Linux machine right now. I can surf any website and download any attachment without a care in the world. Try that on a Windows machine even with some bloated anti-virus running.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby GoghGoner » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 00:32:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') have no patience for or interest in computer stuff, but my companion is a degreed IT professional, extremely knowledgeable. He laughs at the very notion of computer security. If you think you are secure, you are living an illusion. Just assume that everything you do on a computer is an open book or a potential open book, and you'll be just fine.


I'll put a file on my machine and call it password.txt. If your man can open that file and tell me what it says then I will send you 1,000 USD.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby TWilliam » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 01:17:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'M')eanwhile, it's already possible to run at least up to XP (dunno if it's doable with Vista yet) in a virtual machine hosted on a Linux box. One can even eliminate the need for dual-booting by running the Windows partition in a VM.

This has been possible on windows for years and is free with Vista and XP.

Apart from the cost of licensing the platform of course...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'S')pecifically regarding 'end user demands', as I already pointed out, the Linux versions of Solitaire and Mahjong work every bit as well as the Windows versions... :razz:

End user demands in a corporate environment are a bit more than this.

This isn't to say that you Linux is incapable of running in a corporate environment or that its not a good OS, but there are a number of features that just aren't in Linux that are of high value.

I was being facetious (tho' only slightly). You are of course correct that their needs are a bit more. Some folks like Bejeweled or Poker as well... :lol: :lol:

Seriously tho', my point is simply that there's very little that I see the average office user doing with a computer that can't be accomplished with Linux just as handily as with Windows. I have no doubt that there are certain specialized functions that a limited audience require that may only be present in the latter, but I suspect that their absence in Linux is more a matter of lack of interest by any developers in producing an Open Source equivalent for such a limited audience than a result of any shortcomings in Linux.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') somewhat doubt you actually have the expertise to make qualitative criticisms about the competitiveness of Windows versus Linux.
I won't deny that. I'm not an IT professional, just a self-taught home user with generally enough computer understanding to keep his home network and associated machines operating reasonably well, and to usually overcome any challenges I may run into regarding same through my own efforts. It's more a hobby than anything else, which I suppose is a large part of why I switched to Linux some years back. That, and I just think that from both a philosophical and a practical standpoint, Open Source is a superior approach on so many levels. I also feel that people tend to dismiss it all too readily as a viable alternative to Windows for no reason other than unfamiliarity. When someone tosses out the excuse that it can't perform as well, I simply have to speak up because I believe, based on my experience with both, that for the vast majority of uses it's simply not true.
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Re: Windows 7 Will track your every movement!

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 10:15:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoghGoner', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') have no patience for or interest in computer stuff, but my companion is a degreed IT professional, extremely knowledgeable. He laughs at the very notion of computer security. If you think you are secure, you are living an illusion. Just assume that everything you do on a computer is an open book or a potential open book, and you'll be just fine.
I'll put a file on my machine and call it password.txt. If your man can open that file and tell me what it says then I will send you 1,000 USD.

Don't get him started, Gogh. He's Nigerian! :)
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Microsoft Job Cuts Rumored

Unread postby bratticus » Thu 08 Jan 2009, 11:13:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Microsoft Rumored to Lay Off Thousands Worldwide

... Microsoft is clearly feeling the pressure applied by a tightening global economy. In fact, there seems to be a sense of emergency to the massive cuts (about 15,000 workers out of 90,000), which rumors suggest should be made official by January 15. ...
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Re: Microsoft Job Cuts Rumored

Unread postby bratticus » Thu 15 Jan 2009, 11:27:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]In Rare Move, Microsoft Is Exploring Job Cuts

By NICK WINGFIELD
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January 15, 2009

Microsoft Corp. is seriously exploring significant work force reductions that could be announced as early as next week, in a sign that the weak economy is prompting tough decisions even at one of the steadiest ships in the technology industry.

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Microsoft might announce the job cuts when it reports its financial results for the holiday quarter, planned for next Thursday. When it reported its last quarterly results in October, Microsoft said the weakening economy was prompting it to slow its hiring and cut other costs, such as travel expenses.

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Re: Microsoft Job Cuts Rumored

Unread postby Jotapay » Thu 15 Jan 2009, 12:11:01

Google just closed its Austin office that it opened about 6-8 months ago. I am assuming all those people (a couple of hundred) lost their jobs.
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Re: Microsoft Job Cuts Rumored

Unread postby bratticus » Thu 15 Jan 2009, 12:17:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'G')oogle just closed its Austin office that it opened about 6-8 months ago. I am assuming all those people (a couple of hundred) lost their jobs.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Why you should not use Google

Stallard Richman, MAGOO Project

As interest builds in open systems and distributed objects, and some programmers are tempted to use Google, we should not forget the lessons learned from the first widely used free compiler -- GCC.

The principal lesson of GCC is that a language for operating systems should not be a mere "deterministic programming language". It should be an artificial intelligence, designed for writing and maintaining substantial self-documentation. Because nobody else will be able to do that!

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Google was not designed to support a serious artificial intelligence. It was designed to be an "search engine", on the assumption that an "search engine" need not try to be an artificial life form. So Google doesn't have the capabilities of one. It lacks a soul; it lacks reproductive objects from which it can make bootable upgrades. It fakes having orgasms, which works, but has to be slow. Google is ok for searching news articles, but when you push it beyond that, it becomes Chrome.

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Re: Microsoft Job Cuts Rumored

Unread postby bratticus » Thu 15 Jan 2009, 12:27:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Alice's PDP-10

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I walked over to the man and I said "Mister, you got a lot of damned
gall asking me if I've taken the ``Live Search for Google addicts'' course
yet. I mean... I mean... I mean, I'm sitting here on the bench, I'm
sitting here on the SoC bench, 'cause you want to know if I'm
braindamaged enough trade my Chrome for partial credit on a system
that doesn't even handle this correctly after being a litterbug."

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