[mos6507]

I thought she got thrown in the slammer?

[mattduke]

The more troops over there, the less over here.

[mattduke]

TSA "show of force".

http://www.mercurynews.com/travel/ci_10538363

[kpeavey]

"civil unrest"
"crowd control"
"subdue unruly or dangerous individuals and crowds"

The government knows exactly what is going on. We've talked about the issues for years on these boards. Now we see things coming to fruition. We are moving from the Ordered Transition to the Anarchic Transition, according to the script.

A single military unit will be sufficient for now. Riots have not yet begun. This is just an initial move to get the processes and procedures worked out.

We knew we would be able to watch civilization crash while sitting in our barcaloungers staring at the TV or clicking away at whatever aspect of the crash peaks our interest. Here it is.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', '
')TSA "show of force".

http://www.mercurynews.com/travel/ci_10538363

[Ivan_M]

one brigade isn't going to be enforcing martial law.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbrovont', 'A')s of 1995, according to the 29 palms survey, 26% of marines would have no problem firing on US citizens, and another 12% didn't care either way.

Prior to US troops being deployed againt US citizens, their targets will be dehumanized by designating them "anti-american," "terrorists," etc.

Being hardened from combat in Iraq, members of this unit will be pumped full of feelings of constant danger and distrust of anyone not in a US military uniform.

I strongly suspect that initially, those willing to target and shoot US citizens will be very high. Feelings of "wrongness" will be suppressed by feelings of "immediate danger," and memories of similar missions and situations in Iraq.

The psychological toll on any soldier involved in this will be unimaginable.

[jbrovont]

I totally agree. I've said this other places too, but...

I can see the admin getting wrapped in their egos and believing this type of thing could work, but I think the cultural rejection in Americans would be too strong. Any soldier engaging in anti-civilian activities wouldn't hold up long psychologically. To get people to fight eachother, you need some kind of ideological rift. Americans don't have that, and if you break it down far enough to the root, disagree or not, we all believe in one thing: freedom. We used to be pretty polarized liberal/conservative, but that's given way to trust government/not trust government.

Any kind of martial law would just harden that mindset and widen the gap, and it's not a clear break between civilian and military - they're all mixed up.

Martial law in the US isn't the militry cowing down to Bush Co. and goose stepping around DC while all the dissenters get peacefully marched into deathcamps. It's complete and utter chaos and factionalization.

Americans are controlled thgough pitting them against one another. You give the 81% that disapprove of the government all one thing to agree on...whoah buddy. Look out.

I don't want to be ANYWHERE near that tinderbox.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')As I mentioned elsewhere, that 26% seems to be somewhat smaller than a majority and probably smaller than the percentage who would try to prevent another soldier from carrying out an illegal order.

I know 2 who would.

I wonder about what things folks who worry about such are actually doing to prepare for much more likely events.

[Alcassin]

hmm... I don't think you guys know what martial law is and how it looks like.

There will be no martial law.
It's normal exercise for the army. That's why the army exists

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'I')t's normal exercise for the army. That's why the army exists

[Alcassin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '
')Somebody hasn't bothered to read ANYTHING on this topic recently, or else somebody would be aware that this is anything but "normal".

[oddone]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbrovont', 'A')s of 1995, according to the 29 palms survey, 26% of marines would have no problem firing on US citizens, and another 12% didn't care either way.

Prior to US troops being deployed againt US citizens, their targets will be dehumanized by designating them "anti-american," "terrorists," etc.

Being hardened from combat in Iraq, members of this unit will be pumped full of feelings of constant danger and distrust of anyone not in a US military uniform.

I strongly suspect that initially, those willing to target and shoot US citizens will be very high. Feelings of "wrongness" will be suppressed by feelings of "immediate danger," and memories of similar missions and situations in Iraq.

The psychological toll on any soldier involved in this will be unimaginable.

[jboogy]

So posse comitatus has officially been rescinded? And this country is about as polarized along republican/democrat lines as it was in 69' jbrovant. Once the banking system breaks down and people can't use their credit cards to buy food and gas you are going to see the national guard all over the place. And they will shoot.

Interesting times indeed.

[Dawn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'S')o posse comitatus has officially been rescinded?

[jboogy]

I believe it is a civil war era law, not that it matters. It was more a rhetorical question anyway since all the homeland security stuff passed under Bush pretty much renders the act ineffectual.

Just another small beacon of light extinguished, swallowed by the darkness while our elected "patriots" fail to rage against it's death.

[Dawn]

Which part of the patriot act made your point rhetorical?

I must admit, I've never read the entire patriot act, just knew the parts that applied to my business, at the time... maybe I should read it through...

It would be interesting to know what laws are overwritten now. Do I need to hire a lawyer to figure it out? I think that may be rhetorical as well, because so many laws and amendments have been passed before and since.

[jboogy]

I'm not sure if it was specifically the Patriot act, but I do remember reading that some of the Homeland crap acts pretty much said that the Pres. can use soldiers at any time for pretty much any reason, not in those words but you get the idea.

[hironegro]

There isn't going to be martial law and our credit cards will be working. You guys are scarying yourselves for no reason.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hironegro', 'T')here isn't going to be martial law and our credit cards will be working. You guys are scarying yourselves for no reason.

[hironegro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hironegro', 'T')here isn't going to be martial law and our credit cards will be working. You guys are scarying yourselves for no reason.