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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby kublikhan » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 15:07:08

MSM reports WaMu getting snatched up by JP Morgan:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')PMorgan Chase & Co is in advanced discussions to acquire Washington Mutual Inc, a source familiar with the discussions said on Friday.
"They are in advanced talks," the source told Reuters.
The source said the sensitive talks had been going on for some time and JPMorgan had conducted a lot of due diligence into Washington Mutual.
Thursday's downgrade of Washington Mutual by Moody's Investors Service helped advance the discussions between the two companies, the source said.
JP Morgan in advanced talks to acquire WaMu
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby emersonbiggins » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 15:25:31

JPM - last bank standing, as always
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby cube » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 15:59:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'J')PM - last bank standing, as always
These bailouts are getting progressively larger with each decade.
1980's small fries
1990's dot com
2000's mortgage crisis is bigger than all previous put together

Obviously this can NOT go on for perpetuity.
I'm curious if this is the BIG one.
The one so large that even the government can't bail out.
Or will there be just 1 more?
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby emersonbiggins » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:28:44

I don't know, cube; I never thought the feds had the balance sheet to take over FNM/FRE, at least without raising taxes and/or inflation for the foreseeable future. The notion that, as a country, we can all pay for each other's houses on April 15 and be financially better off for it, is absurd.

I'm still drawn to the quote in MrBill's sig line.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he organized state is a wonderful invention whereby everyone can live at someone else's expense.


Indeed, how is it at all possible?
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby idiom » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:55:42

Jp Morgan to Buy Citi and BoA?

Fed to buy Jp Morgan?

Citizens to buy the Farm?
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby cube » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 20:47:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'I') don't know, cube; I never thought the feds had the balance sheet to take over FNM/FRE, at least without raising taxes and/or inflation for the foreseeable future. The notion that, as a country, we can all pay for each other's houses on April 15 and be financially better off for it, is absurd.

I'm still drawn to the quote in MrBill's sig line.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he organized state is a wonderful invention whereby everyone can live at someone else's expense.


Indeed, how is it at all possible?
that's not quite what I meant.
I mean.....my gut feeling tells me this is not the BIG one.
I think there will be 1 more financial crisis, an even bigger one then what we have now.
How can anything be bigger?
What can be bigger than equities and real estate combined?
answer: currencies
I think the next financial crisis will be the collapse of the US dollar.
Basically I think what we're seeing right now is simply a walk in the park.
Things haven't really gotten that bad yet.

just my theory...
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby RonMN » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 20:58:05

Cube Wrote:
Obviously this can NOT go on for perpetuity.
I'm curious if this is the BIG one.
The one so large that even the government can't bail out.
Or will there be just 1 more?


Well, IMHO, lehman Brothers, Washington Mutual, AIG, and MER are in serious trouble (not to mention Wachovia)...perhaps Ben can buy another quarters woth of time...perhaps not.

I think this is the big one...but we may have 2 more quarters (or not) to continue playing this game. :(
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby roccman » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 22:42:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'J')PM - last bank standing, as always


I have been saying that for AT LEAST 5 years...

rocc in the 5 ring again...
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby TreebeardsUncle » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 00:46:36

JP Morgan is not the only strong bank out there.

WFB and Goldman Sachs are still doing well.
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby idiom » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 00:52:32

Rocc, man when you mentioned the Senior Tranche failures early last year I called all my extended family who have a lot of money in stupid places and told em everything that was going to happen this year.

Man I look like a prophet to them now.

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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby jbrovont » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 00:57:21

If you see your bank's name used in the same crawler as Lehman, it's time to close out your account. :)

WaMu has been circling the drain for a while. It's kinda like a courtesey flush after Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'Y')ou know you are in real trouble when your stock is featured in the index bar on CNBC. Both Lehman and WaMu are there.
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby 35Kas » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 05:13:54

Well since I follow this forum closely, now I look like a prophet for telling everyone I know that had WaMu money to get it TFO of there since it was going bankrupt.
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby roccman » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 09:49:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreebeardsUncle', 'J')P Morgan is not the only strong bank out there.

WFB and Goldman Sachs are still doing well.
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Wells Fargo is next (whatever "next" means...next for a bailout...next for the US Gobbermint "facilitating as sale"...)...with 80 billion in sub prime exposure - most all in cali - i am not clear why anyone would think they are "doing well".

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')xhibit 8: Top 10 Alt-A Lenders, 2006

Rank Company 2006 YTD MarketShare% Total Orig Vol Alt-A Share%
1 IndyMac $49,620 16.5% $64,000 77.5%
2 Countrywide 47,000 15.7% 333,740 14.1%
3 Wells Fargo 30,050 10.0% 310,890 9.7%
4 Res Funding Corp 29,730 9.9% 66,100 45.0%
5 WMC Mortgage 19,300 6.4% 24,140 80.0%
6 Washington Mutual 19,050 6.4% 153,630 12.4%
7 GreenPoint 12,310 4.1% 27,120 45.4%
8 Aurora Loan Svcs 11,000 3.7% 25,300 43.5%
9 Homecomings 9,980 3.3% 21,660 46.1%
10 First Magnus 9,900 3.3% 22,030 44.9%
Total Top 10 $237,940 79.3% $1,048,610 22.7%
I note that WFC prudently had the lowest Alt-A as a percentage of its total origination.

Exhibit 14: Top Subprime Lenders, 2006

Rank Lender 2006 Market Share (%)
1 Wells Fargo $ 83,221 13.0%
2 HSBC Finance 52,800 8.3%
3 New Century 51,600 8.1%
4 Countrywide Financial 40,596 6.3%
5 CitiMortgage 38,040 5.9%
6 WMC Mortgage 33,157 5.2%
7 Fremont Investment 32,300 5.0%
8 Ameriquest 29,500 4.6%
9 Option One 28,792 4.5%
10 First Franklin 27,666 4.3%
11 Washington Mutual 26,600 4.2%
12 Residential Funding 21,869 3.4%
13 Aegis Mortgage 17,000 2.7%
14 American General 15,070 2.4%
15 Accredited Lenders 15,000 2.3%
Top 15 $ 515,217 80.5%
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby Specop_007 » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 21:04:06

5 ring musta moved at the last minute eh? :P
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby roccman » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 21:13:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '5') ring musta moved at the last minute eh? :P


Naw - JPM is now a regulatory arm of the FDIC.
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby Tapas » Sun 14 Sep 2008, 02:52:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')Naw - JPM is now a regulatory arm of the FDIC.


Would I be wrong to speculate that JP Morgan = Rothschild

This means, JP Morgan will be the last bank standing.
It is by design :P
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 14 Sep 2008, 11:49:05

So it's now Sunday morning. FDIC didn't take over. No news on a buyout. What happens to WaMu on Monday morning if there's no buyout between now and then? Do they carry on business as usual? Watch their stock drop below $1? CDS widen to 60%?
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby firestarter » Sun 14 Sep 2008, 11:55:31

WM can trade for many months as a penny stock. As for their swap spreads, that's a whole different ballgame. They won't make it to next weekend IMHO.
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby Cid_Yama » Sun 14 Sep 2008, 12:00:23

<i>What happens to WaMu on Monday morning if there's no buyout between now and then? Do they carry on business as usual?</i>

No, you increase you expenditure on advertising and grab as much uninformed depositor money as you can before they stop you. Woo Hoo!
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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Postby roccman » Sun 14 Sep 2008, 12:08:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tapas', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')Naw - JPM is now a regulatory arm of the FDIC.


Would I be wrong to speculate that JP Morgan = Rothschild

This means, JP Morgan will be the last bank standing.
It is by design :P


Bingo!

The 3-5 year arms were fused to go off at PO.

PO was to usher in economic collapse.

PO will be defined by economic collapse.

Option arms were/arm the fail safe to insure economic collapse.

It is working.

Morgan was one of the original seven that was at Jekyl Island.
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