[Thralen]

Jason: Provident Pantry is another company that does #10 cans. Can't vouch for quality, never tried them but I remembered the name from when I was looking for my own #10s.

Thralen

[drgoodword]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'B')tw, does anyone know of any companies other than mountain house? All they do is load everything to the hilt with salt. It is no wonder they say it will last 20 years. If you tried to survive on it for more than a couple years, you would be dead in 5, and then who would be around to challange the veracity of their statement.

BTW, the prices are rediculous, so buy for emergency use only.

[patience]

I read that Shiela Bair, head of FDIC, said that they would be broke in 6 months, then another comment that if/when they get the $500 billion, they will accelerate bank closures 10x present rate. Can't remember sources, sorry. That would be in line with what was said last year about FDIC hiring more people, expecting hundreds of banks to fail in 2009. Made my run on my banks yesterday. I don't like the sound of this.

I gave up on #10 cans long ago. I use drywall mud buckets with trash bag liners, and sealable 55 gallon barrels with bag liners, both purged of air with MIG welding gas--75% argon/25% CO2. I seal up grain that way, and many other things with no worries about them keeping 10 years+ as long as the containers are not damaged. I don't think freeze-dried is practical, except for a bugout use. Costs too much and too hard to get.

[pup55]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')hy are we not seeing loans?

[idiom]

How do you know the person you are lending to inst going to buy guns and food and disappear off to Roccman City?

It would be a hell of a thing to pull Citi apart, but the redistribution of those deposits to ther banks will shore things up a bit. Except for the Governemnt.

Better than that it should contribute to this just being a depression instead of a collapse.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I use drywall mud buckets with trash bag liners, and sealable 55 gallon barrels with bag liners, both purged of air with MIG welding gas--75% argon/25% CO2.

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')hy are we not seeing loans?

[threadbear]

Keeping people in their homes, provided they can still pay their mortgages if the interest rate is radically reduceds seems like the best use of deficit spending to me. Call me crazy, but 12 million people sleeping under bridges, while perfectly good houses sit empty, is 10 times stupider than any "moral hazard" engendered by helping people get out from under predatory mortgages.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'K')eeping people in their homes, provided they can still pay their mortgages if the interest rate is radically reduceds seems like the best use of deficit spending to me. Call me crazy, but 12 million people sleeping under bridges, while perfectly good houses sit empty, is 10 times stupider than any "moral hazard" engendered by helping people get out from under predatory mortgages.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'K')eeping people in their homes, provided they can still pay their mortgages if the interest rate is radically reduceds seems like the best use of deficit spending to me. Call me crazy, but 12 million people sleeping under bridges, while perfectly good houses sit empty, is 10 times stupider than any "moral hazard" engendered by helping people get out from under predatory mortgages.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'P')eople who can afford to pay their mortgage, if the terms are reset, should stay in their houses.

[threadbear]

Houses ARE sitting idle, in neighbourhoods where prices have dropped significantly. Many are rotting. It's a problem with no easy solution, that can't be reduced to a simple supply side economic equation. Prices are going to fall, regardless. Those who are able to stay in their homes have the price artificially supported for as long as they are living there. Should they have to sell, they are subject to the dictates of the market, and that market price is set by people who had to sell because they lost their jobs or lied about their incomes, in the first place. I don't think you realize that many people who will lose their homes, won't qualify for govt help. There are going to be plenty of derelict homes to purchase for those who have acted responsibly.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'T')hose who are able to stay in their homes have the price artificially supported for as long as they are living there. Should they have to sell, they are subject to the dictates of the market, and that market price is set by people who had to sell because they lost their jobs or lied about their incomes, in the first place.

[threadbear]

AIG and the banks should be nationalized immediately. Forget bailouts, just take them over, or let them die. However, the death of these institutions could set off a chain reaction that could be really horrific. I think harm reduction is the way to go.

I agree with you that people who could never afford what they purchased in the first place, shouldn't be bailed out. And they CAN rent or double up with friends family. As far as victimization goes, poor hardworking dumb asses, rooked into mortgages with gargantuan balloon payments, deserve some kind of help. I'm thinking of people in marginal neighbourhoods, living in very modest homes, who didn't know better.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')I'm thinking of people in marginal neighbourhoods, living in very modest homes, who didn't know better.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'A')IG and the banks should be nationalized immediately. Forget bailouts, just take them over, or let them die.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')I'm supposed to bail her out so I can keep paying rent to her? Garbage!

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'U')nless you make a load of money, I wouldn't worry too much about bailing her out. Those of us in the lower income brackets will be getting a tax cut. or no increase in our taxes.

[Ludi]

Like I said, apparently I'm on crack!

I won't be paying much in taxes because I expect my income to fall into the poverty level in the not too distant future. So I'll let all you hard-working types pay for this stuff.

But really, if you expect Santa to bail out the holder of the bad mortgage, why don't you expect Santa to bail you out too?

Or does Santa only bail out the bad kids, and gives a lump of coal to the good kids?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'B')ut really, if you expect Santa to bail out the holder of the bad mortgage, why don't you expect Santa to bail you out too?

Or does Santa only bail out the bad kids, and gives a lump of coal to the good kids?