[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hogan', '
')Matt was on during the fourth hour segment.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '.')
It's such a shame that Art has left the show's legacy to George.

[mos6507]

8-12 program is covering the population bomb right now, for those who are not regular listeners!

[SILENTTODD]

The speaker tonight was Frosty Wooldrige. Living in California for most of my life, I agree with what he had to say 100%. Below is his website:

LINK

One of my newer hobbies is bicycle touring. Frosty is an expert in this and has a number excellent books on the subject. So he has seen the world from the ground.

[Oil_be_alroit]

Somebody's going to have to explain this to me; people like Frosty banging on about the US being 'full'. Try going to Holland - 16.5 million people living in a country half the size of South Carolina or about the same as Massachusetts and Connecticut combined - and even there the doors aren't closed to immigrants!

[Waterthrush]

Holland has little wildlife and little open space. Do you really want to live in an area without forests, fields, ravines? It is a much more interesting and fun world when it is filled with the other creatures with which we share the planet.

We are the only planet we know of with living creatures. We are the dominant creature on the planet. We must defend the others.

A smaller human population means that those who do live here get to see and enjoy the beauties and wonders of an earth full of life.

[Oil_be_alroit]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Waterthrush', 'H')olland has little wildlife and little open space. Do you really want to live in an area without forests, fields, ravines? It is a much more interesting and fun world when it is filled with the other creatures with which we share the planet.

We are the only planet we know of with living creatures. We are the dominant creature on the planet. We must defend the others.

A smaller human population means that those who do live here get to see and enjoy the beauties and wonders of an earth full of life.

[Waterthrush]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here's actually quite a lot of open space in Holland - it's not like they paved over the place - and it's also a major net exporter of food. The difference is that the towns are very compact so where in the US a standard suburban house is built on a half acre plot, in Holland they're typically on less than a tenth of an acre.

I'd better stop here 'cos I'm beginning to sound like Kunstler but the point is that the US could easily support double the population without destroying the wildlife and nature if things were just arranged a bit better.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here's actually quite a lot of open space in Holland - it's not like they paved over the place - and it's also a major net exporter of food. The difference is that the towns are very compact so where in the US a standard suburban house is built on a half acre plot, in Holland they're typically on less than a tenth of an acre.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oil_be_alroit', ' ')the US could easily support double the population without destroying the wildlife and nature if things were just arranged a bit better.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oil_be_alroit', '.')..the point is that the US could easily support double the population without destroying the wildlife and nature if things were just arranged a bit better.

[SILENTTODD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oil_be_alroit', 'T')here's actually quite a lot of open space in Holland - it's not like they paved over the place - and it's also a major net exporter of food. The difference is that the towns are very compact so where in the US a standard suburban house is built on a half acre plot, in Holland they're typically on less than a tenth of an acre.

I'd better stop here 'cos I'm beginning to sound like Kunstler but the point is that the US could easily support double the population without destroying the wildlife and nature if things were just arranged a bit better.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', '
')Everything Wooldrige talks about on his site is already happening in California. Which is one of the reasons I soon will abandon it!

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', ' ')In my life time I have watched its population double, mostly through illegal immigration.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', 'C')alifornia already exceeds the average density of Western Europe Now. In my life time I have watched its population double, mostly through illegal immigration.

[Oil_be_alroit]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oil_be_alroit', '.')..the point is that the US could easily support double the population without destroying the wildlife and nature if things were just arranged a bit better.

[WildRose]

RE: Carrying capacity in North America. There certainly is the space, especially up north here in Canada. But the rate at which we consume resources, per capita, is the determining factor, in my opinion, as to how large a population we can carry.

The fellow on Coast-to-Coast the other evening made the point that 2 billion people in the world (I may be a bit off on that number) live on $2/day. The coffee I buy at Tim Horton's costs about $2/day. At the current per capita consumption of oil, natural gas, water, electricity, building supplies, agricultural products, etc., how many people could live in the US or Canada before the limits of these resources are met? It's possible to share the resources so that many more can live here, but it's not hard to imagine how much we, who are accustomed to high levels of resources consumption, would have to curb our appetites. Not that it would be a bad thing.

[coyote]

Don't forget about immigrants' children (who are by definition all legal). I don't know the precise number, but they are a significant part of the equation.

But in California's case, I don't think that's our problem. Our problem is that everyone seems to want to live here, illegal or no! I'm sure all present company are excluded of course.

[SILENTTODD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', 'C')alifornia already exceeds the average density of Western Europe Now. In my life time I have watched its population double, mostly through illegal immigration.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', 'I')nteresting comment from someone way over in Chicago, who has not stated any experience in California or if they had even ever set foot here?