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Re: Peak Oil on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory Thursday

Unread postby TheTurtle » Sat 03 Nov 2007, 09:07:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'A')rt Bell > George Noory


I enjoy both of them, but the fact that Art is a peak oil believer and George believes the abiotic nonsense suggests to my mind that your equation is valid. :)
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Re: Peak Oil on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory Thursday

Unread postby PraiseDoom » Sat 03 Nov 2007, 21:17:44

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You two can say what you want, but the fact is that last night while you and I and many of the rest of us sat around doing nothing of value, Matt did a fairly respectable job of spreading the word about peak oil to a pretty wide audience.


Let me see if I understand correctly, at midnight, on some small am radio station which is so poular it runs only from 11PM to 5AM in many places, a lawyer who can't correctly remember when Hubbert published his original work ( Matt credited Hubbert with both 1949 and 1950, apparently not even knowing which particular DECADE the work was presented in ) being pitched slowballs by George did such a rousing job that one of the first questions I heard on the show was a trucker who had understood the prior 2 hours so well, including the "its going to cause nuclear war!!", that his question was marked with confusion over such things as how premium diesel could be $3.00 in Virginia and $3.30 in Illinois?

I suppose spreading the word is good, but having an audience that understands Matts limited comprehension of the issue would be even more helpful?
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Re: Matt Savinar on Coast to Coast Am last night.

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 03 Nov 2007, 21:28:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', ' ') I know he did me about 4 years ago when he first appeared on Coast to Coast AM radio with Art Bell!


Wow...Rumour has it he's a midget, but I didn't know he was such a multi-tasker, too. That's a pretty narrow demographic!

Seriously, though. He did well and think he speaks honestly about his fears of a nuclear annhilation, but it seems at odds to be encouraging people to prepare for peak oil, if they're doomed anyway. I mean, why buy a solar oven, when you're about to become charcoal yourself?
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Re: Peak Oil on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory Thursday

Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 03 Nov 2007, 21:48:58

For all you science nerds who can slog through (not too terribly) dense jargon, here is an excellent scientific piece that provides a complete description of the Abiotic Oil Theory. It's conclusions are that the theory is not a valid one and that it fell from favor in Russia-Ukraine after the collapse of the Soviet system.

Abiogenic Origins of Hydrocarbons, A Historical Overview" by Dr. Geoffrey P. Glasby

If you're having trouble with it, just read the Summary!

I sent this email off to George Noory, FWIW:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ear George Noory,

I have been avidly reading everything about Peak Oil
ever since Professor Deffeyes' book, "Hubbert's Peak"
hit the shelves in 1999. It is a subject that will be
of increasing interest as prices continue to rise.

I listened to your broadcast featuring Matt Savinar
and Jerome Corsi last Friday morning. Matt Savinar, of
course, is trying to warn people about impending
energy shortages that will, doubtless, be extremely
serious.

Jerome Corsi, on the other hand, is a believer in the
Abiotic Oil theory. And I understand that you tend to
belive in this theory yourself.

However, the Abiotic Oil Theory is no longer given
great credence even in Russia-Ukraine these days. It
was most popular there amongst Russian petroleum
geologists in the 50's through the 80's.

The scientific paper linked below was published in the
science journal "Resource Geology" in 2006 by Dr.
Geoffrey P. Glasby:

"Abiogenic Origin of Hydrocarbons, An Historical
Overview"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/456451/Abioge ... alOverview

It is a just a little jargon dense (to a layman) but
it is possible for someone who earnestly seeks the
truth of the matter to get through it's 14 pages. If
you are really having too much difficulty with it,
please simply read the Summary at the end of the
document. It scientifically and competently refutes
the Abiotic Oil Theory.

A list of other scholarly papers that Dr. Glasby has
contributed to are listed here:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en ... r:g-glasby

He is a Geochemist/Research Scientist and Professor at
the Graduate School of Science, Earthquake Laboratory
at the University of Tokyo. Dr. Glasby may be
contacted at:

g.p.glasby@talk21.com

He might make a good guest on Coast-to-CoastAM
because, not only can he clear up misconceptions
regarding the Abiotic Oil Theory, he can also talk
about the following (other) journal of science to
which he contributes:

"Sustainable Development: The Need for a New Paradigm"
http://www.springerlink.com/content/v21776471x0651t3/



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Re: Matt Savinar on Coast to Coast Am last night.

Unread postby TonyPrep » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 06:54:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', 'H')is presentation was so full of inaccurate nonsense (“the US still produces 8 million barrels of oil a day”) that anyone with any knowledge of the subject would probably have just turned off the radio in the first 15 mins.
Well, I certainly don't subscribe to the abiotic oil hypothesis but at least he got his figures about right. The IEA monthly report shows the US producing about 7.5 mbpd of all liquids. The EIA stats shows US all liquids production even higher at 8.5 mbpd, though the crude oil plus condensate figure is just over 5 mbpd, which is what, I suspect, needs to be compared with the peak figure from the 70s, which was over 11 mbpd.

I'm not sure how the EIA get the all liquids number, because their crude oil figure is just over 5 mbpd and their natural gas liquids figure is about1.7 mbpd, but at least it can be said that Jerome Corsi is using reasonably accurate figures, even if it's misleading because the crude oil figure is half what it was at peak, and he is talking about a crude oil theory.
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Unread postby TreeFarmer » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 20:40:04

Have any LNG terminals been approved for the East Coast in the last 10 years? I keep reading where energy companies are trying to put them in but I don't read of any successes.
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Re: Any LGN terminals approved for East Coast in 10 years?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 20:58:45

Does the Gulf coast count as the "East Coast?" If so, then your answer is Yes.
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Re: Any LGN terminals approved for East Coast in 10 years?

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 22:30:53

This pageseems to have what you need.
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Re: Any LGN terminals approved for East Coast in 10 years?

Unread postby SILENTTODD » Tue 01 Apr 2008, 04:06:12

On the West Coast, I heard talk about 4 years ago for one down in Baja Mexico (we don't care about the risk of blowing up Mexicans, and neither does their government). But I have not heard anything about it since.
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Anyone hear Savinar on C2C last night ?

Unread postby Armageddon » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 17:05:12

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Re: Anyone hear Savinar on C2C last night ?

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 17:07:18

No...

Is there a link?

Did he say anything surprising (for Savinar)?
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Re: Anyone hear Savinar on C2C last night ?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 17:17:05

I didn't hear it. I don't listen to C2C during the week. George Noory is a dweeb. I can't listen to him. What's Matt going to say that we don't already know?
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Re: Anyone hear Savinar on C2C last night ?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 17:25:48

I listened to the 1st half of the show but that did not include Savinar. He came on around 3am and I had to be at work today.

You missed some rightous doom.
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Re: Anyone hear Savinar on C2C last night ?

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 17:28:44

I listened. He speed-talked his way through the paltry hour to get as much data out as possible. He tore George a new a-hole over his abiotic beliefs. George made it seem as though there is an active debate between the peak oilers and the abiotic guys, which is becoming really laughable as oil spirals out of control. George really is not a very bright guy and even though the data was shoved in his face I don't think he was really able to digest it. The screeners made sure to bring clueless callers in who diagreed with Matt. "Duh, I just don't see how there could be so many dead dinosaurs in dat oil."

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Re: Anyone hear Savinar on C2C last night ?

Unread postby killJOY » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 17:30:34

why?
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Re: Anyone hear Savinar on C2C last night ?

Unread postby Armageddon » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 17:40:38

Art Bell is a firm PO believer. George is just brain washed by Corsi and Alex Jones.
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Re: Anyone hear Savinar on C2C last night ?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 17:43:35

If I'm up at that hour, I listen to Phil Hendrie on our local KFMB radio. That guy is worth listening to. Another station has Roy Masters and that can be interesting.
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Re: Anyone hear Savinar on C2C last night ?

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 18:42:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')he screeners made sure to bring clueless callers in who diagreed with Matt. "Duh, I just don't see how there could be so many dead dinosaurs in dat oil."


1 cubic mile of dinosaurs composted anaerobically IS a lot of dinosaurs.

say a brontosaurus could be compressed to a volume 50 feet long, 20 feet high, 12.5 feet wide - that's 12,500 cubic feet.

1 cubic mile of oil (what we burn every year at our current rate) ... 5000 x 5000 x 5000 ~ 125 billion cubic feet.

==> 10 million dinosaurs except for one thing, i don't think the dinosaur slime all gets turned into oil. it has to make its way sideways and downwards and maybe upwards through the various rock formations. that's a lot of seeping.

i can see why the clueless callers have trouble understanding it.

but when you think about it, building a huge society powered by the decomposed slime of creatures who lived 65+ million years ago does seem short-sighted.
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Re: Anyone hear Savinar on C2C last night ?

Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 17:41:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hogan', '
')Matt was on during the fourth hour segment.


I listened to a prior segment almost exactly a year ago on Youtube where Matt went through all the same facts with Art Bell. Art is pretty much a Peak Oil believer, unlike George.

BTW, the following day for open lines people were calling up talking to George about how scared they got about Peak Oil and sure enough, George tried to calm them down with his conspiracy theory that "they just want us to stew for a while until they release the alien technology we've saved up so we'll all be grateful. He was really trying to fill the callers with this b.s. and undoing all of Matt's work in raising awareness.

It's such a shame that Art has left the show's legacy to George. Art is such a better host than George because he doesn't have as much of a conspiratorial axe to grind.
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Re: Anyone hear Savinar on C2C last night ?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 17:59:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')BTW, the following day for open lines people were calling up talking to George about how scared they got about Peak Oil and sure enough, George tried to calm them down with his conspiracy theory that "they just want us to stew for a while until they release the alien technology we've saved up so we'll all be grateful. He was really trying to fill the callers with this b.s. and undoing all of Matt's work in raising awareness.


That is very interesting. Thank you Mos.
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