[TheDude]

Matt sez oil production always follows a bell shaped curve. Not true - ever see a graph of the Texas Spindletop well's production? Looks like a funnel. Probably he's just simplifying things for brevity, though.

[Carlhole]

I listened to the whole Coast-to-Coast show tonight. I find Jerome Corsi irritating to listen to because I see so many fallacies in the Abiotic Oil Theory.

And while many here on PO.com might think of me as a conspiracy theorist, I have a very hard time believing that all the oil exploration activities in all the countries of the world are in cahoots keeping the vast, earth-produced oil deposits a big secret. Obviously, no one would waste time on Athabasca or Alberta tar sands (to say nothing of fighting a $2 trillion war in Iraq) if they could simply drill deeper and pump more of the cheap stuff.

I read over the Wiki on Abiotic Oil as Corsi was talking and I began to see why this theory refuses to die. Apparently, it has some chemistry and other features that make it appear robust. (read it to see what I mean).

So I searched around and found what I thought would be a great scientific piece on Abiotic Oil:

Geoffrey P. Glasby, 2006. "Abiogenic origin of hydrocarbons: An historical overview." Resource Geology 56, 83-96.

...which, according to its summary, tends to discredit the theory. But I wasn't able to find the whole article anywhere. Does anyone have it by chance?

[Carlhole]

Gosh, that was fast.

I sent an email to Dr. Glasby asking about his article and nearly immediately received a response and the article attached.

If anyone wants a copy send me a pm with an email address.

This article was published in Resource Geologist in 2006. It's a complete account of the origins and development of the Russian-Ukranian Abiotic Oil Theory as well as a separate section on Thomas Gold's theory of same.

I tried to simply upload it to Photobucket Document so that I could just post a link but somehow the document becomes corrupted so I'll just have to send it to interested people.

I think Matt Savinar ought to have a copy since he has to go up against it all the time.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') Dear Dr. Glasby,

I understand you have written an historical overview
of the Abiogenic Oil Theory. Where can I find a copy
of that? Is it something that a layman could follow?

If Russian-Ukranian scientists were so confident of
the abiotic theory, why is there no news of successful
ultra-deep oil wells emerging from the FSU? Why are no
wells drilled specifically to test the theory? How has
the theory been applied by Russian petroleum
engineers? Just how prevalent is the theory amongst
Russian petroleum geologists?

This is a fascinating subject but a frustrating one as
well since there are so many questions about it and
none of them ever seems to be answered definitively.

People continually argue over biogenic vs abiogenic
oil origins. Shouldn't an article or two appear about
it given that there is a war on in the Middle East
which presumably has much to do with oil and given
that oil is bumping up against $100 per barrel now?

Sincerely yours...

[loopy]

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I') read over the Wiki on Abiotic Oil as Corsi was talking and I began to see why this theory refuses to die. Apparently, it has some chemistry and other features that make it appear robust. (read it to see what I mean).

[ClassicSpiderman]

If oil is abiotic, why does Jerome Corsi contradict himself when he says that chicken droppings can be turned into oil?

Is feces abiotic?

He also fails to understand the laws of thermodynamics--his solution is to drill deeper and deeper failing to even acknowledge the concept of EROEI. If it costs 2.1 barrels of oil to extract 2 from the mantle, then it's not recoverable.

95% of the general public fails to grasp the concept of energy, which is why it's pointless to explain peak oil to them. It's also why Jerome Corsi will appear to win the debate whenever he appears in the media--he has a PhD in the art of spewing bullshit (political science).

Rather than expend and waste energy to get the government to change it's policies (their only solution is to encourage turning corn into fuel) it's best that those who "get it" simply tend to their own private gardens. I'm not even as optimistic as Matt to finding like-minded people to live with in a community, I will simply take care of myself, my kin and rely on myself.

[Battle_Scarred_Galactico]

If oil is abiotic, why does Jerome Corsi contradict himself when he says that chicken droppings can be turned into oil?

Is it contradiction if you have no fucking idea what you're talking about in the first place ?

Back to the radio show, is there any transcript, I can't seem to download the thing.

[ClassicSpiderman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Battle_Scarred_Galactico', 'I')s it contradiction if you have no fucking idea what you're talking about in the first place ?

[Battle_Scarred_Galactico]

True CS, I have no doubt he's extremley dishonest and only interested in keeping his own gravey train rolling, but I also believe he has no grasp of energy laws at all. You can see he lacks even the most basic knowledge on the subject, it wouldn't suprise me if he did believe this crap.

[TheDude]

Savinar on C2C. Recorded the late night repeat of the show which didn't include Jerome C. Someone is constantly making torrent files out of C2C though and this should be available soon enough.

[Armageddon]

Corsi just doesn't get it. It doesn't matter how oil was formed, for all that matter it could be the poop from all humans who ever lived , it doesn't matter. The fact to the matter is that the fields are DECLINING !!!! What does he not get ???? The amount of oil is irrelevant, it is the rate of extraction that is important. Idiots think oil just all of a sudden runs out.

[Armageddon]

Douche nozzle Corsi just counterdicted himself. He said we are in Iran fighting for oil. Well Mr. Asshat, if we had as much oil in the US as you say, and oil has never been more plentiful, why are we FIGHTING for it ????? These high prices are making those oil producing terrorist countries even more wealthy, which they use the money to fund terrorists. You can't have it both ways Jerome. What a gay name.

[Armageddon]

Corsi, " Hubbert came up with the PO theory on back of an envelope, and it has never been right. How many times are they going to keep revising it ? "

Never been right ? I would like to punch his fucking lights out. He is so full of shit it sickens me.

[efarmer]

Almost all of the dozens of people I have personally spoken to are convinced that petroleum is expensive because it is being manipulated by big oil, OPEC, or the proverbial villains referred to as simply "they". Faced with Matt's uncomfortable honest reading, followed up by a guy who tells them the Earth sweats petroleum when she dances and kindly saves it for them, which do they select? George runs a spooky or cosmic entertainment show, and the abiotic lullaby rocked everyone back to sleep after Matt growled their bellies a little bit if they were paying attention. Perhaps next time Matt can suggest that Spears and Hilton are behaving erratically because they are worried about Peak Oil.

Jim Kunstler is absolutely spot on when he says "we will do what we do until we can't and then we won't".

"When you're ignorant, you're whole damn body suffers."

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '[')url=http://klrietmann.bingodisk.com/bingo/public/Savinarc2c111.mp3]Savinar on C2C.[/url] Recorded the late night repeat of the show which didn't include Jerome C.

[Starvid]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'N')othing surprising there, I'm sure you can find volumes of rigorous math applied to the theory of the luminiferous aether in space as well, which was a wholly serious theory until it was disproved in the 1890s by Michelson-Morley. Pseudoscientific texts often are heavy with formulas to impress the reader.

[KillTheHumans]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'M')att sez oil production always follows a bell shaped curve. Not true - ever see a graph of the Texas Spindletop well's production? Looks like a funnel. Probably he's just simplifying things for brevity, though.

[SILENTTODD]

I know Matt Savinar has his detractors on these pages. But whether these individuals like it or not, he has probably exposed more people to the concept of Peak Oil than Heinberg, Deffey, and Campbell have collectively. I know he did me about 4 years ago when he first appeared on Coast to Coast AM radio with Art Bell.

Last night he again gave a very good presentation on Coast to Coast Am of Peak Oil to the general American public, only this time with George Noory as host. I would not fault anything he said. It was direct and to the point, like the first time I heard him. Matt was given approximately 90 mins of talk time to present the facts of the case

Unfortunately (maybe not, because most first hour listeners were already asleep), Noory chose to follow Matt with an hour of some Moron named Jerome Corsi, that even Savinar’s greatest detractors would be rolling their eyes at.

Jerome Corsi is a guy who believes the world is full of Abiotic oil (4 or is it 6 trillion barrels). Tell us where it’s at Jerome, and you could be richer than Bill Gates!!
His presentation was so full of inaccurate nonsense (“the US still produces 8 million barrels of oil a day”) that anyone with any knowledge of the subject would probably have just turned off the radio in the first 15 mins.

Unfortunately most Americans who heard an idiot like Jerome Corsi will use him as an excuse to go right back to sleep. And will not even remember his name when Hillary says they can only have 20 gallons of gas a month when the gas rationing begins!!

But Thanks Again Matt! You did your best!

[mos6507]

Art Bell > George Noory

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'N')othing surprising there, I'm sure you can find volumes of rigorous math applied to the theory of the luminiferous aether in space as well, which was a wholly serious theory until it was disproved in the 1890s by Michelson-Morley. Pseudoscientific texts often are heavy with formulas to impress the reader.