[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'W')e see what Algore is about.....now compare him with Bush.

Bush is your peak oil man. Yet he is hated and reviled by a huge numbers of people. I believe Bush is more peak oil aware..........than any other "politician" in government. But for obvious reasons, he cannot come out and "directly" say it........the sheeple would panic.

Example: Note the lingo in the below article and the smug way the writer depicts Bush, yet still acknowledges how he lives in a eco friendly home:


"George Bush�s policies on just about everything to do with the environment are wrong headed and destructive, but you cannot say the same for his ranch in Crawford Texas. Amazingly, given his oil industry links, Bush�s ranch is off-grid, boasting a range of eco-features including geothermal heating and cooling, that would make Leonardo di Caprio proud. The passive-solar house is positioned to absorb winter sunlight, warming the interior walkways and walls. Does his inside knowledge lead him to suspect that he will need it to survive a downturn very soon?"
http://www.off-grid.net/2007/02/18/mean ... the-ranch/

Plus he sent the Centurians into Iraq....... the country with the last, largest supplies of crude oil in the world. You may not like his approach to peak oil, but it is direct and pragmatic. (Forget your political biases for a minute.) Can you say this about any other politician?

The spice must flow.

[Mominator]

We do want the solar/wind infrastructure, right? Even if it's sold to the American public with exageration (and I'd argue that exageration is necessary to get the public on board NOW) it should get done--and the sooner the better.




BTW--does anyone have a source on Al Gore's home power usage? You guys talk about it like it's common knowledge. On LATOC it says that G.W.'s ranch has been off the grid for a while. . .if both are true this should be the dictionary example of irony.

[Ludi]

Gore big ass home power figures

[AlexdeLarge]

"He who controls the Spice, controls the universe!"

From Frank Herbert's Dune (published in 1965) ....for those who may not recognize the quote. If you have not had a chance to read the book, I think you will find it entertaining. The parallels with todays current events are intriguing.

[Mominator]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '[')url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/28/politics/main2522844.shtml]Gore big ass home power figures[/url]

[sicophiliac]

While it is technically doable to ween our electrical grid off of fossil fuels 10 years is quite a short time frame to work with. The money, a sense of national urgency and unity and again THE MONEY would be the most challenging aspect of this. But sure it is doable... lots of wind farms, solar thermal in the desert southwest, more nuclear plants... perhaps tidal along the coasts and geothermal wherever it is available.

[nickynicky]

The planet will be off oil in less than ten years. Gore is correct.

[lawnchair]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '
')Plus he sent the Centurians into Iraq....... the country with the last, largest supplies of crude oil in the world. You may not like his approach to peak oil, but it is direct and pragmatic. (Forget your political biases for a minute.) Can you say this about any other politician?

[skeptik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LittleBoPeak', 'o')t. He's trying to jump on a politically expedient bandwagon to make himself relevant.

[AlexdeLarge]

"Still doesn't make any sense, from a oil price perspective."

It's not about price.............it was about access.

From another thread..and just my opinion:
(If Saddam had been left in Power)

China would have successfully negotiated long term agreements with Saddam to secure oil rights in Saddam's Iraq. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/ ... aq_Oil.php

China would have been pouring money and influence into Iraq to develop the oil fields.

Saddam with the money from oil sales to China would have strengthened his regime and created more turmoil in the region.

China, now fully entrenched in Iraq, would defend the Saddam regime because it would be in their Strategic Interest.

The US and the West could have been locked out of access to the last largest supply of oil in the world as the Kingdom's oil fields peaked and began to decline.

[Maddog78]

link
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he former vice-president credited with rejuvenating America's environmental movement today issued a challenge to its people: End the use of fossil fuels for electricity within 10 years.

Al Gore's call to end the burning of carbon for power, delivered before an adoring audience in Washington, was clearly aimed at vaulting renewable energy to the top of the presidential candidates' agenda. "Our dangerous reliance on carbon-based fuels is at the core of all these problems – economic, environmental, national security," Gore said. "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels."

The Nobel prizewinner likened his clean power challenge to John F Kennedy's 1961 vow to put a man on the moon within 10 years. The young president was mocked at the time, Gore observed, but the US achieved its spacewalk eight years later.

Gore also delivered a withering jab at Republicans and Democrats alike for debating whether to expand coastal oil drilling rather than how to diminish the country's unsustainable reliance on oil. The US Congress is opening debate this week on expanding domestic oil leases. "Even those who reap the profits of the carbon age have to recognise the inevitability of its demise," Gore said, repeating former Saudi oil minister Sheikh Yamani's famous quip: "The Stone Age didn't end because of a shortage of stones."

Despite winning the popular vote against George Bush in the 2000 presidential election, Gore has displayed no interest in returning to politics. His speech today was sponsored by the Alliance for Climate Protection, a non-profit group that serves as a home base for his environmental advocacy.

He shied away from specifics during the speech, not mentioning the trillion-dollar price tag of ending carbon-based electricity. Instead, Gore urged the US to institute a carbon tax that could be offset by reducing the payroll tax on employers. "We should tax what we burn, not what we earn," he said.

Underpinning Gore's remarks, however, was a finely tuned sense of the economic anxiety that dominates American life 13 weeks before the next presidential election. He observed that the environmental, fiscal, and national-security dangers facing the country would be eliminated by a conversion to clean energy. "We're borrowing money from China to buy oil from the Persian Gulf to burn it in ways that destroy the planet," Gore said to wild applause. "Every bit of that has got to change."

John McCain and Barack Obama - whom Gore has endorsed for president - were not mentioned by name. But Gore did give kudos to Bob Barr, the former Republican congressman running for president on the Libertarian party ticket, who attended the speech.

Though Obama was not in the audience, he released a statement hailing Gore's reminder that "we cannot drill our way to energy independence, but must fast-track investments in renewable sources of energy like solar power, wind power and advanced biofuels". "Those are the investments I will make as president," Obama added. "It's a strategy that will create millions of new jobs that pay well and cannot be outsourced, and one that will leave our children a world that is cleaner and safer."

[kjmclark]

Maybe all of you should try reading the article:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o meet his 10-year goal, Gore said nuclear energy output would continue at current levels while the nation dramatically increases its use of solar, wind, geothermal and so-called clean coal energy. Huge investments must also be made in technologies that reduce energy waste and link existing grids, he said.

[Cashmere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kjmclark', 'M')aybe all of you should try reading the article:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o meet his 10-year goal, Gore said nuclear energy output would continue at current levels while the nation dramatically increases its use of solar, wind, geothermal and so-called clean coal energy. Huge investments must also be made in technologies that reduce energy waste and link existing grids, he said.

[dohboi]

"It doesn't hurt peak oil awareness to have Al Gore generating publicity and promoting the idea that its criminal to waste oil and other valuable fossil fuels on power generation. The next step is to have Al Gore and other mainstream politicians publically acknowledge that peak oil is real."

Well put, plant, and kjm too.

Most of the rest of you have your heads so far up your asses you think sh*t is sunshine.

I've never seen such a series of unthinking, kneejerk, brainwashed reactions. You're just spewing out the emotions that you have been carefully taught by your trainers to have toward this person. The thread is really a disgrace to the forum, and should probably be place in the hof's at this point. Not really any useful dialogue here.

Some one starts to propose a program that approaches what our extremely severe crisis calls for and all you can do is snipe. How about a reasoned critique of individual points? Of course any proposal is going to have flaws. What are your engeneous counter proposals?

Look at what has been getting into the main stream media in the last few days--Simmons on CNBC talking about no more food on the shelves, Morgensen and Sloan on Charlie Rose saying the economy is far far worse than any one is letting on, and now Gore talking about the need to get off fossil fuels fast.

Pretty soon they will be talking in more dire terms than we do here, and you'll be left behind with your childish emotional reactions.

If you don't think we should have been working steadily toward weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels for the last forty years, you are either totally ignorant, deep in the abyss of denial, or harbering some nastier motivations.

My main problem with the proposal is that it's decades late. But of course all earlier calls for sanity like this in the past have similarly been shouted down by unthinking butt heads.

So go to it. Blather on. I can only hope that this time fewer will respond to your thoughtless hate mongering.

[kjmclark]

Jerome a Paris has a post over at The Oil Drumabout this same topic. He thinks it's fairly feasible.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'B')ut just because I'm 10 pounds overweight doesn't mean that we shouldn't point out that guy X, who is spouting off about weight loss and health, is 300 pounds overweight.

[nickynicky]

Al "Don Quixote" Gore


"Windmill" Al

Gret names !

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'I')f you don't think we should have been working steadily toward weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels for the last forty years, you are either totally ignorant, deep in the abyss of denial, or harbering some nastier motivations.

My main problem with the proposal is that it's decades late. But of course all earlier calls for sanity like this in the past have similarly been shouted down by unthinking butt heads.

[Peleg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kjmclark', 'M')aybe all of you should try reading the article:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o meet his 10-year goal, Gore said nuclear energy output would continue at current levels while the nation dramatically increases its use of solar, wind, geothermal and so-called clean coal energy. Huge investments must also be made in technologies that reduce energy waste and link existing grids, he said.

[skeptik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kjmclark', '[')b]Jerome a Paris has a post over at The Oil Drumabout this same topic. He thinks it's fairly feasible.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', 'I') loathe the "Man on the Moon" comparison.
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