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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby VMarcHart » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 16:37:41

Mack, by far you have the most informative posts on this site. I love reading them. Good luck with the weigh loss and kicking the smoking habit.

By the way, I did notice some packagings have shrunk while the price have stayed the same. Sliced bread is one.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Lanthanide » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 17:25:47

For those interested in the grocery shrink ray, this site should be right up your alley (the site itself also has many many other interesting and probably useful articles also, so it's worth having a look around).

Grocery shrink ray at Consumerist
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby MonteQuest » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 17:26:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', ' ')Those "stealth" price increases are awfully disturbing. One wonders where they will eventually lead---to cans of tuna the size of bottle caps?
Kelloggs just did the same with cereal boxes.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')BEIJING, June 18 (Xinhuanet) -- Rather than raising the cost of its cereal, Kellogg Co. is decreasing the size of its cereal boxes.

The U.S.-based company is using smaller packaging while charging the same prices for five of its cereals sold in the United States, effectively raising their prices for the second time this year. The company started shipping the new boxes to stores in early June.

Boxes were reduced by an average of 2.4 ounces for 14 items sold under the Apple Jacks, Cocoa Krispies, Corn Pops, Froot Loops and Honey Smacks brands, said Kellogg spokeswoman Susanne Norwitz.

"This price adjustment on select ready-to-eat cereal brands was taken to offset rising commodity costs for ingredients and energy used to manufacture and distribute these products," Norwitz said.


Kellogg's cereal boxes shrink, price stays same
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Kingcoal » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 17:43:54

You know it's funny, when I was a kid in the early seventies, the portion size of everything was smaller. A small coke was about 8oz, a small fry was about half of what it is today. In the grocery store, everything was smaller also. Over the years, they started to compete by increasing portion size of everything because it was the cheapest thing they could do. Giving better service was expensive because of labor costs. Giving you more food was cheap because food was cheap. Cheap no more.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby VMarcHart » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 19:33:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'Y')ou know it's funny, when I was a kid in the early seventies, the portion size of everything was smaller. A small coke was about 8oz...
Awesome observation! Indeed, I remember buying one liter of soda to share with a family of 5.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby vilemerchant » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 20:38:51

If there's one thing scarier than peak oil, it's peak food. Problem is they come together :/
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Mack12345 » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 22:48:09

Thank you guys for being so positive about my post . I must admit i was kinda intimidated by posting becase I was worried that the insite that i have to provide would be considered pretty much useless .
So its very encourageing to have some of you longtimers chimeing in to let me know that my post had some merit . I did not want to waste peoples time with a useless post .

Ok now on to kpeavey's questions ..

1 . "Out of stock items. When an item is found to be out of stock for a brief period of time, do shoppers tend to skip that item or use a substitute brand? If substitution is the response, is there a tendency toward higher grade or lower grade products?"
It is my experience that at my store that if the coustomers "prefered brand" of a product is curently an out , that the coustomer wants a cheeper replacement .. IE "I want Van Camps chili but your out .. damn .. Gimmie some of that cheep Great Value chili insted I guess .."

2 . "Discontinued items. I've projected in other posts that companies will discontinue product lines in order to streamline their operations. This would result in those items being discontinued at the store level without fanfare. Has this been occurring? To what extent? Does the store find a replacement product or simply frill the shelves with more of what they still carry?"
I see this as kinda going both ways at my store ..
Examples being .. SPAM for instance ... My store stopped carrying all the "flavored spams" about last year . We dropped Bacon spam, Turkey Spam, ect and now keep only SPAM classic and SPAM lite .
BUT , Cheezits seem to be going the oppisite way .. we now carry like a million kinds of cheeseits ...
So my observation to this question is both yes and no .

3 . "Delivery schedules. Has the recent increase in fuel prices altered delivery times, frequency of trucks, capacity of trucks or any other trucking procedures? "
My store gets a "Dry goods" truck every night , 363 days a year . And a meat/produce truck 5 days a week . "There is talk of cutting meat trucks to only 4 a week due to reduced demand ."

4 . "Sales volume per customer. Has the number of items sold changed in any way. This may indicate that people are stocking up or altering their shopping frequency with extra purchases or cutting expenses with fewer purchases."
As I have said in the past , sales of canned meat, ect have SKYROCKETED at my store . It is my opinion that coustomers are buying a lot MORE of what CHEEP .. at the expence of buying a LITTLE of whats HIGH in cost .
And yes .. several coustomers at my store will tell you that they are stockpileing food incase "something happens" .

5 . "Large volume packaging. Is there a noticable trend in the bulk items, i.e. big sacks of sugar or flour vs the 5 pound sacks, family pack meats vs individual steaks, the big pack of toilet paper vs 4 rolls at a time. "
Yes , at my store Bulk packaged items are doing really well ..
Bulk flour, corn meal , sugar , beans , cake mix , everything .. if its bulk .. it sells ..
Theres this really nice older lady thats a regular .. Shes on a fixed income .. She buys a GIANT can of Chef Boyardee brand Ravioli every month and then opens it and puts the contents into tupperware containers and freeze's them for her use during the month . She says she "doubles her money" in this way .
Thats just one example but there are sooo many .
This same lady also told me that she is stockpileing catfood for her cat becase shes afraid the government will stop sending her checks in the mail if theres a bad war or something and she dosent want her cat to go hungry . She says she can handle it shes used to hardtimes but not her cat ..

6 . "Finally, I am interested in the ability of the store to respond quickly to a sharp increase in sales volume as a result of some external event. An example would be batteries and bottled water when a hurricane approaches. What would be the criteria for a store to receive a delivery out of its regular cycle."
I feel like my stores ability to deal with something like this is very limited unfortunantly ...However, what im going to do is this .. in the next few days im going to look into this and see exactly how my management would/could respond to this kind of thing .. I will post in a few days with a more consise answer to this question .

"Any information you can provide would help paint a picture of the trends as food and fuel prices rise."
I hope that my insites have been helpfull .

"Thank you."

No sir, thank you .

Regards .
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby emersonbiggins » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 23:08:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'w')e get seven trucks a day, feeding 10,000 people a day here in little Burnet, Tx.

Believe it or not, but I am driving every 2 weeks to the closest HEB to Dallas (30 minutes south in Waxahachie), because it's cheaper than going to my local Simon David (Safeway) here in Dallas. My car is fairly efficient (40 MPG), so the cost of the drive is negated in the first few dollars of savings on my grocery bill.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Fiddlerdave » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 04:04:10

I buy Skaggs Chili at Costco. Bought a new 8-pack, cans say "25% more beef". Cool. Then noticed a canful I heat in the microwave for the regular 2 minutes comes out scalding hot instead of just-right warm . The can did seem smaller, and I see the oz's are now only 15! Don't know what it was before, 16? 18? Just smaller. Is there a point in finding exactly how bad we are screwed?
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby IslandCrow » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 04:39:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'I')n the grocery store, everything was smaller also. Over the years, they started to compete by increasing portion size of everything because it was the cheapest thing they could do.

Recently we inherited a set of coffee cups and wanted to get a sugar bowl and cream jug to go along with them. Being an old set of cups they were small (and have a nice gold patterns on them!), so in the end we could only go to the antique stores to find something that was old enough to be small enough to match. The sale lady said that everything that age was small because the coffee, sugar and cream were all so expensive that the rich could only afford small portions.

For me this illustrated just how the value of things changed over the years and points the way we might have to go (savouring small portions of luxury goods now and then, that we now consider to be basic items in our daily life). It is just that as I drink my mug of coffee for mid morning break, I do not seem to emotionally get where we are heading.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Hagakure_Leofman » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 06:59:52

Interesting post.

Re: cigarettes. My advice (though it wasn't solicited), is that if you're going to quit - actually quit. It's nicotine that you're addicted to - not smoking - what is just the means of delivery. If you realise this, you'll note that switching to gum isn't quitting anything.

I'm not just saying this. I quit myself 18 months ago, and I'm not going to start again because I got myself off nicotine. Prior to that, I had made attempts using patches and gum. In both those approaches, I only made it about 1-3 months.

Well done on your other health achievements. You're well on your way to surviving :)

The only useful web site I used for help was whyquit.com. I'd say "good luck to you", but that really has nothing to do with it. You need to really decide for yourself that you'll quit for real. It's a difficult process, but you're life will definitely change for the better. It's transformed mine and it keeps getting better. Indeed, my interests today, wouldn't be my interests if I'd not quit. You really become a different person. You become yourself.

Why don't you quit on the 5th August?
That's as good a date as any...
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby JJ » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 07:52:38

I quit using the patch. First day whole patch, second day half a patch, third day half of that. Then my friend (who had quit 10 years prior) was laughing at me and point in public and calling my THE PATCH THE PATCH and I asked him why and he said "I find it amusing that you are trying to quit a drug by taking the same drug." Point taken, went cold turkey. Don't give up.

The grocery I work at ordered three trailers full of bottled water, tuna fish and peanut butter. Parked in the back, put pallets in the lobby. Then sold to the customers for the refugees of Rita and Katrina. Made a killing. (they bought the stuff and then after the customer paid for it they loaded it onto another trailer out front) I thought it was a pretty swift psychological move...also a big box out front to recycle your plastic bags. The customer brings in bags stuffed with plastic bags, places them in a bin in the front, then we throw them in the compactor in the back. Makes the customer feel good about saving the earth.

I always liked stocking the can aisle (aisle three). Since I was the new guy, and everybody hated the can aisle, they always put me on that aisle. :)
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby jlw61 » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 09:32:31

In regards to the Spam answer... when you quit stocking all those different brands, did the shelf space shrink or stay the same with just fewer brands? Did the shelf space expand for cheesits?

If the spam shrank and the cheeseits expanded, that would strike me simply as marketing. But if spam stayed the same, then that would indicate to me that regular spam is what people want and they want a lot of it.

Ick, what a horrible thought. Sorry, the worst I can do is canned corned beef or dinty moore stew. The rest would depress me too much (spam made me sick both times I ate it).

Please keep up these observations... they are priceless!
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby PonyBoy78 » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 10:04:24

Every time I go to the grocery store, I walk around and wonder about how things will change as we start to go down that slope (or cliff.. eep!).

There's such a variety of colorful, exquisite, boring, particular items on the shelves. Seems so wasteful, in many ways.

What items will be the first to disappear from stores? Will we lose Vanilla Dr Pepper first, or Cherry Dr Pepper, or Cherry Chocolate Dr Pepper? Will we eventually get to a point where the soda aisle is just four or five major brands, instead of the hundred brands we have now? And how long will it take to get there?

Repeat this for every item group in the store. How many small beer brewers will go under? Will the Hungry Man dinners outlast the Smart Ones dinners, and do the Boston Market dinners stand a chance? And how many brands or flavors of yogurt do we really need?

It's going to be fascinating to see how grocery stores change as time goes by.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby TWilliam » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 11:40:44

Interesting thread, thanks for starting it Mack.

A tip for the smoking and the weight loss: it's been known for awhile now that the human mind, particularly the subconscious, doesn't deal effectively with negations, in other words, telling someone 'don't think about a pink elephant' invariably leads to the thought of a pink elephant.

Thinking of yourself as 'a smoker who's quitting' actually reinforces the self-image that you're a smoker, making it that much more difficult to quit. Same with 'I'm losing weight'; the thought reinforces the self-image of someone who's overweight.

Instead, start telling yourself, 'I'm a non-smoker', and that 'I'm becoming trim and fit'. Use the same type of descriptive statements whenever you talk about the issues to someone else too. It may seem insignificant, but it DOES make a difference in the effectiveness of your efforts.

I tried quitting cigs several times without success, but once I finally started thinking of myself as a non-smoker, I no longer had any problem with avoiding the habit. Been cig free for better than twenty years now with absolutely no inclination to ever start again.

Good luck!
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Cashmere » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 13:11:52

I don't agree that the only answer to quitting nicotene is cold turkey.

But I do agree that, if you're REALLY committed, it's the best way to go.

As for the gum - I know a guy who quit smoking 6 years ago and has been on the gum ever since.
So, yes, he's still an addict, but how much better health does he have?

Just get mad a quit.

Anytime you feel the urge to smoke, bang out 20 push ups.

Good for the chest, and great for the lungs.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Mack12345 » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 19:52:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'I') don't agree that the only answer to quitting nicotene is cold turkey.
But I do agree that, if you're REALLY committed, it's the best way to go.
As for the gum - I know a guy who quit smoking 6 years ago and has been on the gum ever since. So, yes, he's still an addict, but how much better health does he have? Just get mad a quit. Anytime you feel the urge to smoke, bang out 20 push ups. Good for the chest, and great for the lungs.

I want to quit. Like I said I gave it a pretty legit try. I have had the willpower to stay away from the fastfood. I have been able to resist the candybars. I have even turned my back on my lifelong partner, soda.
But the cigarettes. Its like they are in my brain or something. I litteraly start to itch for them .

I am thinking of going cold turkey again starting at 6am est july,17th. I need to quit these things, it scares me how strong there grip over me is.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby vision-master » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 20:14:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')My advice (though it wasn't solicited), is that if you're going to quit - actually quit. It's nicotine that you're addicted to - not smoking - what is just the means of delivery. If you realise this, you'll note that [u]switching to gum isn't quitting anything

Nope, I smoke a pipe and am not addicted at all. It's not the nicotine, it's the other crap they put in cigs. STOP lumping ALL smoking with cigs!
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Typical_Lurker » Mon 21 Jul 2008, 16:22:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')My advice (though it wasn't solicited), is that if you're going to quit - actually quit. It's nicotine that you're addicted to - not smoking - what is just the means of delivery. If you realise this, you'll note that [u]switching to gum isn't quitting anything
Nope, I smoke a pipe and am not addicted at all. It's not the nicotine, it's the other crap they put in cigs. STOP lumping ALL smoking with cigs!

Nicotine is the addiction, not any additive to "cigs". Cigarette tobacco is designed to be as high in Nicotine as possible. Naturally grown tobacco has much less Nicotine. Additionally, if you don't inhale (most pipe and cigar smoking), you get much less Nicotine absorbtion.

But make no mistake. It's the Nicotine that makes it enjoyable, and it's the Nicotine that's addictive. This is true for all tobacco consumption. Nicotine is to tobacco as alcohol is to beer, in every way. Beer would have been an unknown, regional beverage if it didn't have that alcohol molecule.

On topic: great post and follow up. Please continue!
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