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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby MidwesternMom » Sat 26 Jul 2008, 09:39:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gothor', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'W')hy the hell can't you get lemon juice anymore?

It seems always to be OS.


we can't get bag lemons in produce anymore...


Jeez hate to bump this but couldn't get past being pissed off with this situation. I live in Florida, plenty of lemons in the stores but they cost 3/1.99! I mean JC, WTF, OMG. But seriously, I'm planting trees as soon as someone has a sale as they (ones that will produce before I bit the dust), the trees, are quite expensive.


Yeah what's up with that? I normally can get lemons 3/1.00 in kansas on sale, and i don't think they have many lemons trees around here. It just disturbs me that I can get it cheaper than people who live near the food source, shouldn't locals get it for cheaper? I know cost of living is a factor, but still. I would hate to give up a lot of transported food, particularly tropical food etc., but i would really like to see lower prices for local food, and higher prices for shipped/non local food. Well I have seen it with imported rice, and flour but that's about it so far.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby cube » Sat 26 Jul 2008, 10:13:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MidwesternMom', '.')..
Yeah what's up with that? I normally can get lemons 3/1.00 in kansas on sale, and i don't think they have many lemons trees around here. It just disturbs me that I can get it cheaper than people who live near the food source, shouldn't locals get it for cheaper?
No.
That's not how things work today in today's globalized economy.

Economies of scale affects food prices more so than distance of transport. For example why is papaya fruit expensive in the USA?
Most people would say, "geez that's a dumb question. because it's a tropical fruit and has to be shipped in from far distances."
okay 2nd Q:
Why are bananas so cheap? :wink:
Is there some logical explanation to this or do we just live in a mad world? The answer is simple--->bulk purchase.
Americans don't eat that much papaya so it's bought in small quantities therefore it's expensive.

If something was bought in large bulk then it's cost would be ridiculously cheap. Something produced 5,000 miles away can be cheaper if bought in large bulk then something produced only 50 miles away.
In New York City you can buy Hawaii pineapples, sugar, and coconut for cheaper then if you went to Hawaii.
That may sound a bit messed up (if you live in Hawaii) but that's the way the world works.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby misterno » Sat 26 Jul 2008, 16:38:58

I am sorry I don't understand it

Howcome Hawaiian pineapple costs cheaper in NY than in Hawaii?

Is this a joke? If not can someone please explain?
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby timmac » Sat 26 Jul 2008, 18:19:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterino', 'I') am sorry I don't understand it Howcome Hawaiian pineapple costs cheaper in NY than in Hawaii? Is this a joke? If not can someone please explain?

Have you every been to Hawaii,, I have and everything there cost more and I mean everything,, I cant explain the pineapple thing however..
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby bruce2288 » Sat 26 Jul 2008, 18:37:12

Coconuts were free when I was in BoraBora. Just pick one up off the side of the road.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby Lanthanide » Sat 26 Jul 2008, 22:22:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'I') am sorry I don't understand it Howcome Hawaiian pineapple costs cheaper in NY than in Hawaii? Is this a joke? If not can someone please explain?

When I visited Hawaii in 1996, the McDonald's there gave you a free tray of pineapple with every combo purchased. That was across their whole menu, and looked like a standard giveaway.
I'd like to see pineapples cheaper in NY than 'free'.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby misterno » Sat 26 Jul 2008, 23:09:10

I still don't get it, but maybe it is me. :)
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby cube » Sun 27 Jul 2008, 00:22:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'I') am sorry I don't understand it Howcome Hawaiian pineapple costs cheaper in NY than in Hawaii? Is this a joke? If not can someone please explain?
short answer --> bulk purchasing.

If you walk into a convenience store and buy 1 can of beverage it's expensive, but if you go to a big box store and buy the 24 case then the cost per quantity is cheaper.
Transportation is actually cheap in today's globalized world.
If something is bought in very large bulk then it can still be very cheap even if it was shipped from very far away.
If you live in New York city you can buy rice that came from Thailand and it's still ridiculously cheap because it was bought in large bulk.

I've never been to Hawaii but damn everybody says food is expensive over there. It probably has to do with a lack of bulk purchasing because of a small population.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby misterno » Sun 27 Jul 2008, 10:40:48

My brother moved from suburbs of San Fransisco (Oakland) to Houston couple of years ago. He is amazed with the cheap fruit in Houston which has California label on them. He says same California labeled fruit is at least 2-3 times more expensive in California which does no make sense.

Anybody knows why? He says some of the labels indicate towns which is 100 miles away from Oakland. So what is going on here? By the way greater Houston area has no agricultural industry.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby cube » Sun 27 Jul 2008, 11:20:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'M')y brother moved from suburbs of San Fransisco (Oakland) to Houston couple of years ago. He is amazed with the cheap fruit in Houston which has California label on them. He says same California labeled fruit is at least 2-3 times more expensive in California which does no make sense.
Anybody knows why? He says some of the labels indicate towns which is 100 miles away from Oakland. So what is going on here?
By the way greater Houston area has no agricultural industry.

hmm good question. I don't know, you've got me stumped there.

the cube scenario:
We live in a world where being in a big city offers "city conveniences" like a wide selection of foods. However even in smaller towns the selection isn't that bad. Basically we live in a somewhat socialistic world where almost everybody has a good selection of different types of foods.
I think in a post PO world there is going to be a HUGE disparity between food selection in the city vs. the small town. As transportation gets more expensive and cargo distribution gets more "centralized" by being loaded onto the rails anybody who doesn't live in the big city should expect a very humble selection at the grocery store. 8)
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby jlw61 » Mon 28 Jul 2008, 12:23:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'I') am sorry I don't understand it. Howcome Hawaiian pineapple costs cheaper in NY than in Hawaii? Is this a joke? If not can someone please explain?

Here is part of the answer.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')el Monte said it was no longer economically feasible to grow pineapple in Hawaii because it can be produced for less in other parts of the world. "It would be cheaper for Del Monte to buy pineapples on the open market than for the company to grow, market and distribute Hawaiian pineapple,"

The reason is that so many more pineapples are grown elsewhere and the costs of everything are expensive in Hawaii. Read the rest of the article, it's got really good info in it.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')ens of thousands of acres of former sugar cane fields on the densely populated island of Oahu, where about 75% of the state's 1.3 million population reside, have since been developed into master-planned residential communities and shopping centers.

I think it will soon be time to rename the state of Hawaii to Easter Island Redux.
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How Long Until the Crash Hits the Supermarket?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 00:04:55

OK, so now that Der Spiegel has declared dead American Capitalism, I am looking for some of our group experts to make a prediction on how long it takes for the food to start disappearing off the shelves, or for the prices to start doubling and tripling daily? Or when do the Airlines stop flying completely? When does the crash on Wall Street really hit Main Street?
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Re: How Long Until the Crash Hits the Supermarket?

Unread postby Snowrunner » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 00:10:09

IMO too early to call.

I think that the central banks pumped USD into the markets instead of their own currencies is telling, they seem to be "sorta kinda" on board.

The next warning sign will be a decline of the USD again against major currencies (most likely the Euro first) but we aren't over the cliff yet, it is still a (somewhat) controlled slide towards the abyss.
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Re: How Long Until the Crash Hits the Supermarket?

Unread postby The_Virginian » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 00:45:39

REAL PATRIOTS EAT....

In order to stimulate the economy.

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Re: How Long Until the Crash Hits the Supermarket?

Unread postby Oil_be_alroit » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 02:04:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', 'I') think that the central banks pumped USD into the markets instead of their own currencies is telling, they seem to be "sorta kinda" on board.


This money was for inter-bank loans which is done in USD.
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Re: How Long Until the Crash Hits the Supermarket?

Unread postby Snowrunner » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 02:11:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oil_be_alroit', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', 'I') think that the central banks pumped USD into the markets instead of their own currencies is telling, they seem to be "sorta kinda" on board.


This money was for inter-bank loans which is done in USD.


It may be denominated in USD but usually you get the currency you mainly trade in.

I am a cynic when it comes to this whole thing and I bet at least some of them saw this as an opportunity to dump USD and get their own currency back.
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Re: How Long Until the Crash Hits the Supermarket?

Unread postby heroineworshipper » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 04:23:30

Food prices here doubled in the 6 months after the first rate cut. Expect another doubling.
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Re: How Long Until the Crash Hits the Supermarket?

Unread postby TheDude » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 06:30:31

Dueling headlines:

Soaring Food Prices Push 75 Million More People Into Hunger

Consumer prices ease slightly

New Orlov piece: Survival of the nicest?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd so collapse, for you, is likely to turn out to be a deeply personal experience. Furthermore, if you manage to survive it, chances are, you will be none to eager to divulge the details of how you made it, for they will not be edifying. The process of survival is only enjoyable if it is experienced vicariously -- at someone else's expense.

I recently picked up a book about castaways, and was amazed to discover that the introduction to the book spells out this very idea succinctly and in good prose, perhaps better than I could, so I will reproduce a piece of it here:

Certainly it helps to be marooned with somebody else, for you can commiserate, quarrel, an feud like newlyweds, and when things really get difficult, you can always eat him, or vice versa... When the going gets tough, the tough get eaten. Cannibalism like so many other customs, is merely a state of mind. Over the centuries famine repeatedly drove Europeans and Asians alike to eat everything, including each other. The culinary genius of the French and the Chinese, working with nothing more than a few spices and a bit of garic, turned famine food into such delicacies as snails, sea slugs, and stewed bats, garnished with larvae, pupae, and spawn -- all, like escargot, under more elegant names. And while doughboys in the trenches of World War I were driven insane by body lice and other vermin, political prisoners, POWs, and castaways savor them in their gruel as if they were herbs from Provence. One culture's famine food is another's caviar.

In the case of survival cannibalism, society seasons its judgments with something akin to garlic by conveniently applying certain criteria: Was the main course already dead of natural causes? If not, was a lottery properly conducted before the murder, and are the culprits suitably pious, making analogies to Holy Communion? In this way, the survivors of a plane crash in the Andes could make a group decision to eat some of their number, and walk away heroes. It is only a short distance from the Andes to Soylent Green.

But what is customary is comforting. Cannibalism is a social affair. Solitary survival is not. Solo survivors are a breed apart. Confronted by extreme solitude, by starvation, an by no prospect of rescue, they do not sit around long pining in self-pity but set about urgent practical matters. In some cases this reveals strength of character, tenacity, and the will to live. In others it reveals only animal cunning and stubbornness. Sensitivity and imagination are terrible disadvantages in the crunch. Unusual among these tales because of its painful and pathetic revelations is the diary of a nameless castaway on Ascension Island. Unlike other classical accounts, in which the survivor returns to civilization to enlarge endlessly on his own ingenuity, this victim was much too sensitive for his own good. He kept a diary frankly revealing his misery, his mistakes, his melancholy, his weakness of character, and his hallucinations. The diary is singularly lacking in excuses. Perhaps because he was overly absorbed in his own failings and inadequacies, his struggle failed, and he diary was found beside his bones.


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Re: How Long Until the Crash Hits the Supermarket?

Unread postby TheDoctor » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 09:01:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'O')K, so now that Der Spiegel has declared dead American Capitalism, I am looking for some of our group experts to make a prediction on how long it takes for the food to start disappearing off the shelves, or for the prices to start doubling and tripling daily? Or when do the Airlines stop flying completely? When does the crash on Wall Street really hit Main Street?

Reverse Engineer


My wife and six year old son are visiting her family in Australia, so the damn airlines better keep flying for another month - so either they get back her to the Midwest, or if things get really bad so that I can bug out and join them downunder!
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Re: How Long Until the Crash Hits the Supermarket?

Unread postby kpeavey » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 09:03:11

While shipping, utility and payroll expenses increase steadily, resulting in constant price pressures, there are discontinuities in the agricultural system that will create surges in pricing. Monocropping is performed in order to maximize efficiency in large corporate farming. Vast areas of a single crop are served at particular times. When the contracts to purchase these crops are renewed, this is when sudden price pressures begin to extend down the supply chain.

I would look to the futures markets for a better idea of when.
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