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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby jlw61 » Fri 23 May 2008, 15:48:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'I')nterestingly, for what its worth, this person also said that the savings and loan crisis will pale in comparison to what's getting ready to happen, not this weekend, but what is developing.

I've been wondering how all of these foreclosures and failing funds could continue without affecting banks. Perhaps it takes a while for it to snowball.

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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby Denny » Fri 23 May 2008, 15:52:54

When you say "closing" do you mean for the holiday weekend, or some long term thing?
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby seahorse2 » Fri 23 May 2008, 15:55:40

I really hate being the guy that sounds the alarm if nothing happens, but I saw the effects of several people here lose money and their businesses when ANB shut down and it leaves a big impression on you. Further, if I could divulge the source, which I cannot, you would be alarmed also. The only question is whether the teams were moving in to close someone today or moving into position to close in the near future. At any rate, if you live in this area, take no personal risk with your money or business.
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby seahorse2 » Fri 23 May 2008, 15:56:43

Hi Denny,

The information is the FDIC will shut the banks down like the did ANB - meaning, closed permanently.
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Fri 23 May 2008, 16:26:54

Do you think the reason for doing this COB Friday is to minimize the impact it could have on the stock market or is that just a coincidence that they're moving in on the eve of a three day weekend?
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby seahorse » Fri 23 May 2008, 16:34:16

My understanding is the FDIC historically closes troubled banks on Fridays after COB to allow the FDIC to get the troubled bank's deposits (checking accounts, savings accounts etc) of the closed bank sold and transferred over the weekend to another bank and have those accounts up and running by the next business day, usually a Monday. The FDIC also has to deal with all the loans gone bad etc., but a priority is given that first weekend to try and keep the deposit accounts operating with as little discontinuity as possible.
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby patience » Fri 23 May 2008, 17:35:59

Listen up folks! When Seahorse talks, we all better listen. It's the part about "making the S & L Crisis pale in comparison" that lit me up today. I personally doubt that the FDIC can make good on all that it will be called upon to contribute to a banking collapse. If they are able to fund such a thing, it will be at the expense of govt money injections, diluting the currency even more, with the inevitable inflationary results.

There is way more than enough evidence out there to give credibility to the S & L statement, available to everyone who will read it. I believe that this is the time (last year, actually) to invest in the Bank of Sealy. I think we should all put our money where it will benefit us most long term. For me that means to have some significant cash on hand, NONE in paper investments, and do all the preps discussed here on the forum to the best of your ability.

Like Seahorse admonished in his Surviving a Financial Collapse thread, PLAN HOW TO FEED YOU AND YOURS! Buy food now, and figure out how you can provide your own food and water. Then work your way down the list of preps. Time for academic discussion to end and roll up the sleeves and get busy, if you haven't addressed these things already.
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby RonMN » Fri 23 May 2008, 17:48:21

I agree with patience,
I don't take seahorses statements lightly & even if no banks fail this weekend, I have no doubt that his comments are all on the up & up.

Thanks Seahorse...I'll be keeping my eyes open tomorrow.
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 23 May 2008, 18:29:07

I'v worked with the FDIC before in my practice as well, and I am certain they are going to close some banks somewhere based upon what seahorse is saying.

I would caution seahorse, though, that if the bank they are going to close is publicly traded this may be "inside information" that probably shouldn't be discussed in this kind of setting.

Just a thought.

I can take down this topic if you would like.
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby Kingcoal » Fri 23 May 2008, 18:42:19

I don't think it can be called insider information because it's not specific. God, saying that there will probably be bank closings these days is like saying that the sun will probably go down tonight!
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 23 May 2008, 18:50:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '5')/22/08 Am. Banker 3
American Banker (USA)
American Banker and SourceMedia, Inc.
May 22, 2008
Volume 173; Issue 99 Section: Washington: In Brief
FDIC Report Due Next Week
Joe Adler
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. will release its quarterly banking profile for the first quarter on May 29, the agency said Wednesday.
The report will come at a time of heightened uncertainty for the banking industry. After fallout from the credit downturn hit bank balance sheets at the end of last year, the agency reported in February the lowest earnings in 16 years -- $5.8 billion -- for the fourth quarter, as well as the steepest rise in noncurrent loans in 24 years.
Still, the agency reported then only 76 institutions on its "Problem List" of troubled banks and thrifts. Some observers expect that number to rise.

http://www.americanbanker.com/
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby jlw61 » Fri 23 May 2008, 19:00:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'I')'v worked with the FDIC before in my practice as well, and I am certain they are going to close some banks somewhere based upon what seahorse is saying.
I would caution seahorse, though, that if the bank they are going to close is publicly traded this may be "inside information" that probably shouldn't be discussed in this kind of setting.
Just a thought.
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I thought "inside information" was only a problem if you traded on it... for instance if we dumped stock of publicly traded banks based on this information. Otherwise, this is just information from an inside source which may allow some people to pull money out of their banks, but no trade is being made, so no problem. So if there is only a problem if someone buys or sells stocks, options, etc based on this information. If I go out and buy a bunch of food, or pull cash out, or buy some metal (not options, actual metal) then there is no unlawful activity.

So, if I'm right on this, then if someone here has made trades based on what has been said, then they need to quickly find corroborating information from a public site to cover their assets.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nsider trading is the trading of a corporation's stock or other securities (e.g. bonds or stock options) by individuals with potential access to non-public information about the company. In most countries, trading by corporate insiders such as officers, key employees, directors, and large shareholders may be legal, if this trading is done in a way that does not take advantage of non-public information. However, the term is frequently used to refer to a practice in which an insider or a related party trades based on material non-public information obtained during the performance of the insider's duties at the corporation, or otherwise in breach of a fiduciary duty or other relationship of trust and confidence or where the non-public information was misappropriated from the company.

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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 23 May 2008, 19:05:29

Generally, you may still be held accountable if the ultimate user of the information trades on it - even if the information was passed down from person to person.

However if there are no trades, there is no violation of trading rules. Since we don't know who this is, then it does not seem there is any violation possible.
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 23 May 2008, 19:19:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jlw61', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'I')'v worked with the FDIC before in my practice as well, and I am certain they are going to close some banks somewhere based upon what seahorse is saying.
I would caution seahorse, though, that if the bank they are going to close is publicly traded this may be "inside information" that probably shouldn't be discussed in this kind of setting.
Just a thought.
I can take down this topic if you would like.

I thought "inside information" was only a problem if you traded on it... for instance if we dumped stock of publicly traded banks based on this information. Otherwise, this is just information from an inside source which may allow some people to pull money out of their banks, but no trade is being made, so no problem. So if there is only a problem if someone buys or sells stocks, options, etc based on this information. If I go out and buy a bunch of food, or pull cash out, or buy some metal (not options, actual metal) then there is no unlawful activity.

So, if I'm right on this, then if someone here has made trades based on what has been said, then they need to quickly find corroborating information from a public site to cover their assets.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nsider trading is the trading of a corporation's stock or other securities (e.g. bonds or stock options) by individuals with potential access to non-public information about the company. In most countries, trading by corporate insiders such as officers, key employees, directors, and large shareholders may be legal, if this trading is done in a way that does not take advantage of non-public information. However, the term is frequently used to refer to a practice in which an insider or a related party trades based on material non-public information obtained during the performance of the insider's duties at the corporation, or otherwise in breach of a fiduciary duty or other relationship of trust and confidence or where the non-public information was misappropriated from the company.
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There is more to it than that.

At this point, I am just treating it as an academic issue, but if the FDIC leaks information regarding a bank that is about to be closed and any depositors act on that information by going into the bank and closing their accounts, this could be problematic from many angles.

The FDIC official who leaked the information has potentially committed a felony.

Anyone who acted on the information has committed fraud against the FDIC, since the FDIC is the party responsible for dividing the bank's assets. By taking funds out of the bank based upon non-public information, it has potentially reduced the amount of money available to pay the claims of the bank's creditors (not just the depositors, but the other creditors as well, including shareholders if it's publicly traded).

Even if you don't act on inside information, merely passing it along for the purpose of someone else acting on it is problematic.

Even if the FDIC official could claim attorney client privilege between the official and seahorse, seahorse would have potentially violated his ethical obligations by passing along the information.

The list of potential problems could go on.

The fact that the information came from an FDIC official and was somewhat specific as to the location of the bank takes the matter ouf of the realm of general speculation regarding bank closures.

It's probably not important, but just some things to think about.
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby seahorse » Fri 23 May 2008, 23:12:08

Interestingly, the FDIC is advertising for a case manager in Kansas City.

FDIC hiring
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby Ferretlover » Fri 23 May 2008, 23:18:46

HHHmm.. Nothing there now. All I got was:
"ERROR
ERRORS were encountered processing your request.
There was an error processing your request, please try again.
Please correct the errors and resubmit."
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 23 May 2008, 23:51:06

It's been so long since any big banks failed that I think the FDIC is probably a little out of practice on handling these things.

The people I worked with used to give me vague references to banks they were about to close, but it was always small banks that no one had ever heard of (except the depositors, of course). Most of the cases, too, involved some kind of criminal activity by bank executives, as opposed to just poor management.
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby seahorse » Sat 24 May 2008, 00:11:38

Maybe I pasted the link bad. Here is the list of all FDIC openings:

FDIC all jobs

Scroll down until you see case manager for Kansas City then click on "view" for job description.

I also notice the FDIC home page has a note that its "bankfind" will be down until Monday morning.
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby Ferretlover » Sat 24 May 2008, 00:46:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'M')aybe I pasted the link bad. Here is the list of all FDIC openings:
FDIC all jobs
Scroll down until you see case manager for Kansas City then click on "view" for job description.
I also notice the FDIC home page has a note that its "bankfind" will be down until Monday morning.

New link works. Thank you, Seahorse. With bankfind down, I would think one reason Would be they don't want to announce a situation.
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Re: WARNING - POSSIBLE FDIC BANK CLOSURES THIS WEEKEND

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 24 May 2008, 00:51:23

If they're closing it tonight or tomorrow, presumably there will be a press release up at some point.

Nothing yet, though.

I'm interested in this situation now.
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