[Ludi]

Nah, I'll just keep my naive view of people as mostly nice if rather self-centered.

I plan to be dead before the Zombie Hordes prove me wrong.

[stu]

From a Europeans point of view I have to say that I think America is largely screwed.

I say this working from the basis that the two institutions that hold the key to changing the mindset of the sheeple are the media and the politicians.

On the Political side Barack Obama offers a lot of hope which has mainly arisen due to Dubya. On the media side I don't see much hope at all as advertising is the main star around which the media orbits and I don't think I have to say too much about corporations to make people think that they'll save us.

I was in Barcelona last year and was talking to an American girl from Buffalo who was studying in Europe. We were talking about politics and I showed her the famous image of Che Guevara and she didn't have a clue as to who he was. This got me thinking that the system in America must do such a good job of brainwashing people to the extent that a university student travelling abroad doesn't recognise the image of the most iconic socialist ever from one of if not the most reproduced images ever.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'W')ith tear gas at first. With rubber bullets later. With hickory nightsticks next. And finally...with the use of deadly force.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'F')rom a Europeans point of view I have to say that I think America is largely screwed.

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')he other day I drove through a bad area of Richmond. It was instructive. Some of those people would kill you without a second thought, if they could get away with it and it conferred on them some sort of advantage. There are MILLIONS of people like that, and there would quickly be millions more in an epic economic downturn.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'I') think rubber bullets come before tear gas. Tear gas is so 60's.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '
')"Fatal beating unnerves Cleveland neighborhood
Killing in one of nation's poorest cities shocked even most hardened
Mon., May. 12, 2008
CLEVELAND - Even by tough, urban-crime standards it was a grisly attack: Up to 15 people chased a man, then kicked and beat him to death on the street. Before police arrived, one attacker urinated on the victim's head.
When the crime-hardened neighborhood awoke later that morning, two people reported a man lying on the pavement, his clothes being dragged off by his assailants. …"
They are out there... just waiting for the trigger

[paimei01]

Here's a video from my country, sheeple included
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srtz7JyoLuI

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')he other day I drove through a bad area of Richmond. It was instructive. Some of those people would kill you without a second thought, if they could get away with it and it conferred on them some sort of advantage. There are MILLIONS of people like that, and there would quickly be millions more in an epic economic downturn.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '
') What about Tazers?

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '
')First you call out hickory, now spun aluminum. Why so fancy ? A simple section of lead pipe works just fine. You don't run into people that know how to use the good ole motorcycle chain any more either. I think in the future, people will just have to make do.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'a')spiration to higher standards

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')Do you REALLY know your neighbors? Do you know them when they are starving, desperate, mad with disease and thirst?

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'D')ogs are another effective method not mentioned.

[Cloud9]

Now I know what that little sucker is laughing about! Jeez

[Ludi]

Personally, I favor the Hamadryas Baboon as a guard animal.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')
Dogs are SO five minutes ago.

The hyena is where it's at.

[Ludi]

"Spotted Hyena (Crocuta crocuta) They tend to hunt alone or in small groups of 2-5 individuals. They detect their prey using sight, hearing and smell. Hyenas will travel extinsively throughout their territory in search of prey. Some hyenas have been known to travel for 42-80 km in search of adequate prey sources. Once prey is found, the group will travel up to 2-3 km in active pursuit of prey, and can run at speeds of up to 60 km/hr. The group will often run through a herd of ungulates to single out an individual. Though they will usually catch diseased, weak, very young or very old individuals, healthy prey items are often taken. They kill their prey by severing the major arteries and veins in the neck and by disemboweling. Usually after a kill, the females will disperse with pieces of the kill and eat at a distance. Males and females may will fight over food, but the female usually is the winner because of her massive size. One hyena can eat 14.5 kg per meal. Hyenas have been known to cache food underwater.

Hyena's teeth are especially large, set in a heavy jaw, and can crush through an ungulate's thick femur. Hyenas will ingest every piece of the animal. Bones, horns, hooves, even teeth are digested completely within 24 hours. Hyenas have the ability to eat and digest bones due to immensely powerful jaws, and the highly acidic digestive fluids in their stomach.

Shoulder Height:
32-35 in. (79-89 cm)
Head and Body Length:
37-65 in. (94-165 cm)
Tail Length:
10-14 in. (25-36 cm)
Weight:
105-121 lb. (48-55 kg)"


Doberman: Weight: 75-100 lbs. for males, 60-90 lbs. for females
Height: 26-28 in for males, 24 - 26 inches for females

[PenultimateManStanding]

So what are you saying, Ludi? You'd put your money on the hyena? Given the stats, I suppose you are right. We humans are such screw ups. We bred a killer dog that can't touch nature.

[Ludi]

Obviously I don't support making animals fight for sport, but yes, in the fictional world in which such a thing would happen, I would definitely put my money on the hyena.

Or on a wolf, for that matter. ( don't forget, hyenas aren't dogs, they are a separate genus)