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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 12 May 2008, 15:17:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', '
')3. Consumtion of pharmacutical drugs and TV.


I take a small handful of pharmaceuticals, and watch TV almost every night for about an hour.

Am I in a "zombie-like state"?

Interested in folks' opinions. :)
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Mon 12 May 2008, 15:19:38

There's a lot of denial out there. And bargaining (oh, if I recycle my plastic bags I'll be 'eco-friendly' and that will make things okay).

It's when the anger hits that things are going to get hairy.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', '&')quot;Taste the sizzling fury of fajita skillet death you marauding zombie goon!"

First thing to ask: Cui bono?
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 12 May 2008, 15:19:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', '
')3. Consumtion of pharmacutical drugs and TV.


I take a small handful of pharmaceuticals, and watch TV almost every night for about an hour.

Am I in a "zombie-like state"?

Interested in folks' opinions. :)


I wondered where you went for that one hour each day. :lol:
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 12 May 2008, 15:34:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')I wondered where you went for that one hour each day. :lol:


Hey, I gotta watch my "Medium" :)
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby oowolf » Mon 12 May 2008, 15:50:47

Pareto principle. The many won't move until a critical minimum of the prime movers are observed in motion (tipping point). Therein lies the benefit of being at least slightly "paranoid". Non-conformists, like many of the posters here, are those who flee the burning theatre at the first whiff of smoke. Regardless of disinformation like: "The towers are secure, return to your desks."
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 12 May 2008, 15:53:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') am merely curious, or perhaps even astounded, at the relative silence the American people are displaying as their vaunted "way of life" (the one Cheney swore to defend) falls apart almost overnight.


First, they don't know it has ended. In fact, the way of life is still intact for most. Those at the fringes are having problems - but those at the fringes have always had problems.

Second, they don't believe the present trends will get worse. Far worse.

Third, the way to get power - real power, political power - involves risk. Power is not given by one individual or group to another; rather, it is taken. (Always by entirely legal and peaceful means, of course. 8) ) But there are risks in taking power; risks of money, of friendships, of social standing. And, perhaps still greater risks. Such risks demand great motivation; and our society is sufficiently comfortable that the motivation is not yet present.

Be patient, Heineken. We shall live in interesting times that historians will write about.


Good, instructive insight, Jack, as always.

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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby JJ » Mon 12 May 2008, 15:54:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'I') fear for the future. The public is NOT going to take this well.


What's your business with the public? Are you a public servant deep in your soul? Boss, meatcutter, client-- what, there is nothing else to talk about aside peakoil? All this preaching.. what are you, a priest, a prophet wannabe? How much $ would you pay to keep all three alive through peakoil thing? How much of your own health would you spare?


point...
not interested in helping anyone else at all..., beyong my own family...
better off talking about American Idol...
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby gnm » Mon 12 May 2008, 15:56:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'O')n the contrary, you have tremendous power. It's just a matter of how you define it.

You have the power to insulate yourself in countless ways from the stupidity and delusions of others.

Power is not the ability to change others; it's the ability to arrange your affairs so that your security and happiness are not contingent upon stupid people becoming enlightened.


Well said. Thats exactly what I am busy doing...

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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 12 May 2008, 16:01:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')My impression of most of us who post here is that we are well ahead of the curve in that regard...


All of us were "sheeple" once. There is a TON of bitterness revolving around the state of affairs we're in and we all have to resist the temptation to just write off the rest of humanity with a convenient epithet. That being said, I have had trouble broaching this topic with my own family. I just haven't hit them over the head with support materials but I'm going to finally do that at the end of the summer. If I can't manage to bring them around it's going to definitely make me question the psychological barriers to acceptance.


One of the points I try to make, over and over, is that the awakening of the sheeple is the thing to most fear. Let's say that everyone in North America were suddenly as aware as we are (but not necessarily as intelligent or controlled). What would happen? Those who are aware and are doing their "preps" would lose their entire advantage (pathetic advantage that it is). God knows what would happen. Collapse, mass rioting, revolution.

I want the sheeple to stay asleep as long as possible.
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 12 May 2008, 16:03:17

Revolution against whom?
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 12 May 2008, 16:06:08

It doesn't matter, Ludi.

During the Russian Revolution, most of the people didn't have the slightest idea what was going on. All they knew was that there was a new big kid on the block and a new set of rules they had damned well better follow.
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 12 May 2008, 16:07:15

Who would lead the revolution?
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 12 May 2008, 16:10:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ho would lead the revolution?


The biggest badest kid on the block. :razz:
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 12 May 2008, 16:10:58

Does it matter? The niche is always there and there are always people who will fill it.

However, I'm not saying there will be a formal revolution, Ludi. I think "revolution" can also mean disorder.

Ludi, maybe you've spent too much time isolated on your farm.

The other day I drove through a bad area of Richmond. It was instructive. Some of those people would kill you without a second thought, if they could get away with it and it conferred on them some sort of advantage. There are MILLIONS of people like that, and there would quickly be millions more in an epic economic downturn.
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 12 May 2008, 16:13:53

Oh, ok, you mean "rioting." Mass rioting.
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 12 May 2008, 17:28:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'R')evolution against whom?


The Man.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ho would lead the revolution?


Hopefully John Connor will be old enough.
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 12 May 2008, 17:30:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')Power is not the ability to change others; it's the ability to arrange your affairs so that your security and happiness are not contingent upon stupid people becoming enlightened.


that's a nice quote. i suggest it should go to the member's quote collection
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby Novus » Mon 12 May 2008, 19:56:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')he other day I drove through a bad area of Richmond. It was instructive. Some of those people would kill you without a second thought, if they could get away with it and it conferred on them some sort of advantage. There are MILLIONS of people like that, and there would quickly be millions more in an epic economic downturn.


I expect those types to kill each other and rid themselves from this Earth. I also expect it to happen rather quickly when TSHTF. Think New Orleans type breakdowns or Baghdad if the military sends in the storm troopers.
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 12 May 2008, 20:05:07

The Niggars will be looting. :razz:
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Unread postby Jack » Mon 12 May 2008, 20:25:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')he other day I drove through a bad area of Richmond. It was instructive. Some of those people would kill you without a second thought, if they could get away with it and it conferred on them some sort of advantage. There are MILLIONS of people like that, and there would quickly be millions more in an epic economic downturn.


This is a "behold, wisdom" moment.

Heineken is exactly correct. It has been said that no one is more conservative than the fellow who just got married, purchased a house, and got promoted to foreman. The converse suggests that there is no one more radical than someone who just lost his job, became homeless, and has hungry children.

Sure, there will be riots. Those riots will be suppressed. With tear gas at first. With rubber bullets later. With hickory nightsticks next. And finally...with the use of deadly force. Order will be maintained, because the alternative is actual collapse.

Then there will be a certain tense calm. Hot rage will transform into cold hatred. And someone will come forth to give voice to that hatred.

Perhaps it will speak against external enemies. Or, maybe it will point to internal traitors. It may be communist, or fascist - or some as yet unnamed ism.

And that is the point to fear more than any other. At that point, the society becomes a meat grinder; those dropped into the maw will be destroyed.

Those who think this is not the case should read history. It is a pattern so strong as to constitute a human tradition.

Read Heineken's post carefully. He's right.
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