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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby SpringCreekFarm » Tue 13 May 2008, 15:53:48

Although Doberman's are a little freaky to us humans, I'm thinking that a hyena would rip the doberman to pieces.

Now how about a Pit bull with a bad attitude up against the hyena. That would be a closer match IMHO.
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby BigTex » Tue 13 May 2008, 16:27:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', 'A')lthough Doberman's are a little freaky to us humans, I'm thinking that a hyena would rip the doberman to pieces.

Now how about a Pit bull with a bad attitude up against the hyena. That would be a closer match IMHO.


I agree that an experienced and well conditioned pit bull might give a hyena a good contest.

The pit bull would have the same advantage Mike Tyson used to have over much larger opponents. Basically, a smaller and quicker fighter, with strength disproportionate to body mass compared to the larger opponent.

Also, the hyena has evolved as a "chase and take down" kind of predator, where the pit bull is conditioned to attack another predator.

It would probably come down to who got the first good bite in, like so many fights do.

But the Doberman, no chance at all. Dobermans are great dogs, VERY smart, but a hyena would go home with a Doberman hat for his wife after that fight.
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby Ludi » Tue 13 May 2008, 17:10:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', ' ')a hyena would go home with a Doberman hat for his wife after that fight.


You mean a hyena would go home with Doberman socks for her husband after that fight. (females are larger and dominant)
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby dinopello » Tue 13 May 2008, 17:23:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', ' ')a hyena would go home with a Doberman hat for his wife after that fight.


You mean a hyena would go home with Doberman socks for her husband after that fight. (females are larger and dominant)


Interesting I didn't know about the Hyena females being larger in some breeds

The majority of hyena species show little sexual dimorphism, usually with males being only slightly larger than the females. The spotted hyena is an exception to this as females are larger than the males.

That's unusual. The dominant/protective part isn't as many dog breeds are the same way. I have a female Bullmastiff and she takes care of business. Her brothers (she was the only girl) are all rollie pollie rub my tummy goof balls.
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby BigTex » Tue 13 May 2008, 17:29:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', ' ')a hyena would go home with a Doberman hat for his wife after that fight.


You mean a hyena would go home with Doberman socks for her husband after that fight. (females are larger and dominant)


Whichever spouse was charged with killing the Doberman that day would undoubtedly take a nice souvenir home to his/her loving partner.

Maybe a "lucky Doberman foot" for the kids.
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby dinopello » Tue 13 May 2008, 17:40:14

Back on topic, I think a quiet, or at least passive sheep are a good thing. This raging mutant zombie sheep could probably scare away any hyena

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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby Ferretlover » Tue 13 May 2008, 17:47:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'B')ack on topic, I think a quiet, or at least passive sheep are a good thing. This raging mutant zombie sheep could probably scare away any hyena
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby Jack » Tue 13 May 2008, 20:43:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'a')spiration to higher standards

I thought we weren't allowed to do that in America anymore.


Well, it's frightfully non-pc...but then, when have I ever been PC?

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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby Heineken » Tue 13 May 2008, 21:38:04

I would keep more dogs (I have only one, a powerful mutt I rescued (as a puppy) from the pound), but they've become frightfully expensive to maintain like everything else. The companies that make the heartworm, whipworm, and flea medicines---I'd like to hang their CEOs up by their balls. Feed costs are soaring too, of course (something to consider if you plan on owning a huge dog).

Taking care of a dog properly has become a serious financial commitment.

Mutts are the only dogs to have. Among other reasons, they're much healthier.

Pet ownership is certainly a core part of the "American Way of Life," isn't it?
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby stu » Tue 13 May 2008, 22:30:41

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No, that's not the problem. The problem is that academic standards have suffered decades of consistent decline, such that even students in the more challenging science programs now require simplified textbooks. Combined with grade inflation, U.S. Higher Education is awarding a great many diplomas that have been earned only in the ironic sense.


I hear ya. We have similiar standards this side of the pond.

Fancy doing a degree in soccer?

http://www.glam.ac.uk/coursedetails/685/214

Maybe even one in comedy?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/hampshire/content/ ... ture.shtml

I heard this argument the other day that said knowledge is not important in todays world of work , it's skills that matter now.

Somehow I think that argument will be worthless in twenty years (PO not withstanding of course) when India and China lead the world in new technologies and ideas.
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby Heineken » Tue 13 May 2008, 22:33:29

Well, PO is withstanding.

In 20 years China and India will be ash heaps.
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby stu » Tue 13 May 2008, 22:44:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'W')ell, PO is withstanding.

In 20 years China and India will be ash heaps.


So I take it you're from the "PO will lead to nuclear holocaust" school of thought. :(
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby Jack » Tue 13 May 2008, 23:23:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'I') heard this argument the other day that said knowledge is not important in todays world of work , it's skills that matter now.

Somehow I think that argument will be worthless in twenty years (PO not withstanding of course) when India and China lead the world in new technologies and ideas.


(Chuckle) Oh, skills will matter. Just not the skills taught in the usual college. The School of the Americas might teach some useful "skills". 8)

The problem is most higher education will become superfluous as peak oil hits. How many accountants and business majors does one need in a contracting economy? How many English majors? How many architects and civil engineers?

Perhaps a college degree will produce a better field hand. But I doubt it....
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby stu » Tue 13 May 2008, 23:37:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'I') heard this argument the other day that said knowledge is not important in todays world of work , it's skills that matter now.

Somehow I think that argument will be worthless in twenty years (PO not withstanding of course) when India and China lead the world in new technologies and ideas.


(Chuckle) Oh, skills will matter. Just not the skills taught in the usual college. The School of the Americas might teach some useful "skills". 8)

The problem is most higher education will become superfluous as peak oil hits. How many accountants and business majors does one need in a contracting economy? How many English majors? How many architects and civil engineers?

Perhaps a college degree will produce a better field hand. But I doubt it....


Agreed

Our obssession with celebrity culture here in the UK is what I partially blame for the "sheeple" effect, of which I am myself partly a victim due to the fact I studied Journalism then completly lost heart when I found out that it was one of the most sought after positions for post-grads. I also hear that there are more people studying Photography in the UK than is actually needed in all of Western Europe. Numerous universities have shut their physics departments due to lack of interest too.

You can now even get "diplomas" (skills based of course) from Mcdonalds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7209276.stm
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby Heineken » Wed 14 May 2008, 07:29:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'W')ell, PO is withstanding.

In 20 years China and India will be ash heaps.


So I take it you're from the "PO will lead to nuclear holocaust" school of thought. :(


It is logical to assume that it will, Stu. PO and/or other resource-related tensions.

"Ash heaps" could take forms different from those of nuclear-war debris, though. For example, environmental collapse now seems certain in Chindia. They are very determined to achieve that.
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby pedalling_faster » Sun 18 May 2008, 16:23:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hat sort of noise should the "sheeple" be making, in your opinion?


growing broccoli at home because it's too expensive at the store ?
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Re: "American Way of Life" Dissolving; Sheeple Qui

Postby mos6507 » Mon 19 May 2008, 00:55:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hat sort of noise should the "sheeple" be making, in your opinion?


growing broccoli at home because it's too expensive at the store ?


I know eating broccoli generates some noise on the way out--but growing broccoli?
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To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...

Postby allenwrench » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 00:42:45

To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...that is the question?

My wife says I should not educate the sheeple. She complains when I put PO bumper stickers on my car. She could not give me a good answer as to why - she may be worried about making others mad.
My feelings are I would rather other people prepare the best they can, grow food, plant fruit trees, downsize and don't make commitments they will be sorry about.

I am very grateful for someone telling me about PO, so I just return the favor and putting a few stickers on my car cost me almost nothing in money and no time to educate others.
How do you feel about educating the sheeple?
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Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...

Postby zeke » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 01:48:54

I have tried, and continue to try, to talk about this with friends and loved ones.
In return, I've gotten anything from polite listening to ad hominem attacks.
Now, I can live with all of that. My friends and family know that I mean well, and while I can sometimes spout, I know when to stop yapping about it.

What I am not interested in taking on are actual physical attacks from "Kill the Messenger" types who might see that bumper sticker as a sure sign that you are part of, quite possibly even the leader, of an anti-american, anti-car, anti- whatever that person loves, group bent of denying him/her their "right" to squander oil, and that what you need most is a good thrashing...or stabbing...or shooting..

Things are calm now, relatively. But in time, people are going to want somebody to blame. They will NOT blame themselves, or examine their own lifeways.
They will want to focus on the person(s) who they believe, or are told are the cause of all of their pain.
You go waving your Peak Oil banner, so to speak, you're going to attract the attention of those who are just looking for the right object of their anger.

One example I think of is a video I saw on the news about 10 years ago, taken by a security camera, of a woman - a Christmas shopper - at a store being told by a clerk, that the store was fresh out of that year's hot toy.
Well, the customer took to beating the snot out of the store clerk.
And to think, that was just a TOY!
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Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...

Postby zoidberg » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 03:19:55

Given the unprecedented runup in prices most people with the curiosity to find out why, have. Those who dont, dont really want to understand why. No point in agitating them unnecessarily. It'll neither help them or you, if they're not ready to figure it out. Spot gasoline outages should be the next big signal that'll bring in a bunch more people to understanding. The process cant be forced while it's still ignorable.
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