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by shortonoil » Thu 08 May 2008, 11:25:15
yesplease said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ortunately, whether or not an estimate is correct usually doesn't impact price significantly.
What that means I don’t have a clue, what I quoted said
previous estimate, not future estimate. Previous estimates are verifiable, if you haven’t noticed.
yesplease said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n the world market, coal prices have increased, although it's link to oil price is dubious at best.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Coal May Surpass Oil as Better Bet on Demand for Cheaper Fuel
Coal is poised to top its recent highs because of record oil and natural-gas prices, said Francisco Blanch, chief commodity analyst at Merrill Lynch & Co. in London. In Europe, coal was $62.55 a ton last week and reached a 10-month high of $66.83 in March, broker ICAP said. Prices paid by U.S. utilities will climb 5 percent in the next year and double by 2021, said Price, a former vice president at Peabody Energy Corp., the largest U.S. coal producer.
BloombergMr. Blanch, and the rest of the planet, probably would think that your comment is ludicrous, and it is. Of course coal will replace oil to what ever extent possible, because as an energy source coal is still cheaper. Coal is going up because oil is going up. “
although it's link to oil price is dubious at best”; this may be the most ill thought out comment I have ever heard!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nnual coal contract prices in Asia may surpass all-time highs within the next 12 months. Deutsche Bank analysts, led by Peter Richardson in Melbourne, predict prices of $58 a metric ton next year and $59.50 in 2009, from about $55.50 for the year that started April1. Goldman Sachs Group said it expected $56 a ton next year.
Bloomberg$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ave you seen the price of coal lately? In 2008, thermal coal prices are set to double, from about $55 to $125 per ton. That’s based on a recent agreement between Japan’s Chubu Electric Power and the giant mining firm Xstrata, and it should become the benchmark for 2000-09 contract prices worldwide.
Spot prices for thermal coal have tripled in the past 12 months. And spot prices for coking coal (used to make steel) have quadrupled in the last 12 months. Just in the last two months, those prices have doubled. Do you notice any patterns?
Whiskey&Gunpowder$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')orldwide supply problems cause coal prices to soar Canada's biggest producer of coal for the steelmaking industry appears poised or a massive increase in profits, thanks to a "massive squeeze" in global supply.
topix$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')lobal coal supply will fall short by up to 35 million tons in 2008 and the deficit is set to grow going forward, ensuring that prices remain strong, the CEO of coal miner Arch Coal said on Monday.
Coal Plant, coal supplies, coal, arch coal Nati Harnik / AP
"We estimate that global supply of coal will be short between 25 and 35 million tons this year," Steve Leer told analysts at an energy conference.
The estimate differs from one given in March, in which Leer said Arch Coal estimated the world would be between 30 and 40 million tons short of coal this year.
CNBCyesplease said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')and as such I tend to be a bit skeptical of those who say it's so because they said so”,
by Valdemar » Thu 08 May 2008, 17:32:35
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chris-h', 'h')ttp://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/sexy-dancing-vs-peak-oil.php
Totally off-topic and months old. Not all that productive.
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by MD » Thu 08 May 2008, 21:14:03
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')The dynamic we are looking at is that of oil behaving as a financial asset.''
Isn't that how a scarce resource usually behaves?
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.
Just think it through.
It's not hard to do.
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by catbox » Fri 09 May 2008, 00:55:28
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('catbox', 'S')eems like more and more Street types are getting PO now.
Sorry if this is a repost or in the wrong place:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... fer=energyThis is a day when I bring the Macbook to work to watch the show!
125 by Thursday?
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Man, I almost had it! Looks like 125 by Friday will be more like it.
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by Armageddon » Fri 09 May 2008, 02:05:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('biofuel13', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'A')nybody want to take a guess at how long this financial system can last with oil at $120.00 + ? 12 months is my guess, before you see failure at many levels.
I am in complete agreement Armageddon. About a year from now we will begin to see the entire economic system unraveling before our eyes. However, I also think that within 6-8 months the downward spiral will start to become so blatant that social unrest may preempt financial collapse.
The unraveling may have already started. It is just that things take time to run their course. We are past the point of no return. Now it is just time to sit back and enjoy the show, in a sick kind of way.
by yesplease » Fri 09 May 2008, 04:05:09
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]yesplease said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ortunately, whether or not an estimate is correct usually doesn't impact price significantly.
What that means I don’t have a clue
Hopefully you'll figure it out... Eventually. Then again, maybe you won't.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', 'M')r. Blanch, and the rest of the planet, probably would think that your comment is ludicrous, and it is. Of course coal will replace oil to what ever extent possible, because as an energy source coal is still cheaper. Coal is going up because oil is going up. “
although it's link to oil price is dubious at best”; this may be the most ill thought out comment I have ever heard!
Hmmm... Lets see, on one hand, if we were replacing oil with coal for energy, the vast majority of which would be for electricity generation, countries like the US, may have to replace a whole 3-6% of electricity produced from oil with coal. Assuming of course we replace that all with coal, which we haven't, but I suppose others could have. The question then is by how much?
Otoh, coal from countries that supply around 50% of the world's coal exports, have either stopped or been significantly limited.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hina, the world's largest producer and consumer of coal, said late last month that it would halt exports in February and March after the country's worse snowstorms in 50 years disrupted output and caused unprecedented power shortages.
News of the stoppage in China was immediately followed by severe power shortages in South Africa, forcing miners including Anglo American to shut their mines.
Adding to a worsening global squeeze, several Australian producers last month declared force majeure on immediate coal shipments
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Professor Membrane', ' ')Not now son, I'm making ... TOAST!