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by GD » Fri 11 Feb 2005, 12:59:20

The tensing bit is to help non-stoners! lol

By contrasting with tense, you can make parts relax even more. It's quite good for doing "soft" martial arts like Aikido (that I do), because when you get tense your movement become less fluid and ineffective.
:-D

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Fri 11 Feb 2005, 13:20:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GD', 'T')he tensing bit is to help non-stoners! lol

by GD » Fri 11 Feb 2005, 13:34:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'N')ot a stoner anymore...

by **EnviroEngr** » Fri 11 Feb 2005, 13:35:26

Quick point of clarification:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')elekinetic, levitational and clairvoyant, Wow! Do you mean that your exercises put you into trance where these things seem to happen as in a lucid dream while you are actually awake but in a trance or do you mean for real?

by GD » Fri 11 Feb 2005, 14:43:40

I wonder if anyone could pick apart this dream...
First I need to set the scene. Where I grew up, there was a field where I used to play football (soccer), by the sea. It is close to one of the UKâ€™s major ports, with passenger ferries constantly running to Dublin. You would always see racing yachts out during the summer, and the area is also often used for practice sea rescue sorties by RAF helicopters (the base is about 10 miles away). All common sights when I was growing up.

Now, I was on holiday in Greece at the time with my buddy from university, we had just finished our masters and had flown off to drink copious amounts of alcohol somewhere sunny.

The dream I had was I was back on the field by where I grew up and when I looked out to see there was a disaster taking place. I donâ€™t know what had happened but a boat was sinking. It looked like a way oversized sailing yacht, but for some reason I knew it was the QE2.
There were people on the deck screaming for help and many trying to stay afloat in the water also. The rescue helicopter was there and was picking people out of the water and depositing them on the field where I was, as this was the quickest way to help as many people as possible. At some point I joined in the rescue effort, on the winch line, picking people out of the water, putting them on land. I think people from the nearby homes came out to help also with blankets etc.
The rest is a bit fuzzy.
It was a couple of days later I found out this happened, not very far away from where we were.And the cause? The crew were watching European Champions league soccer and left the ship on autopilot. Then it hit a great stack. This is probably the weirdest coincidence of my life!

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Fri 11 Feb 2005, 14:59:28

The Queen Mother is in travail and you are pulling her children out of the womb? Did you ever wish to become an obstetrician?

There may be something in the fact that this was apparently just an oversized yacht but you knew it to be the Queen herself.

The fact that you are engaged in this heroic action, saving lives is certainly in line with Freuds notion that all dreams are of a wish-fulfillment nature. Perhaps here you are the Father of Your Country. This is speculative, of course, but the idea is to try and come up with a plausible if not entirely accurate sense of what it means.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Fri 11 Feb 2005, 16:33:13

Also, the idea is to try and work back from the mundane to the primal. Not only does this mindset help one to see meaning in life in general, but it is in keeping with the idea that dreamwork uses the mundane to express the primal actualities that lie buried in all of us.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 12 Feb 2005, 02:17:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MikeB', ' ')I'm not sure anyone has ever established an empirical basis for the "meaning" in dreams. An interpretation always requires an interpreter, and do we establish that whatever the interpreter says, goes?
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by GD » Sat 12 Feb 2005, 21:32:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he Queen Mother is in travail and you are pulling her children out of the womb? Did you ever wish to become an obstetrician?

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sun 13 Feb 2005, 03:05:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GD', '
')Maybe it was just some sort of macho wannabe hero thing.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sun 13 Feb 2005, 03:11:40

Now to everyone else, its just an oversized yacht, but to you, why she's the queen herself!

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sun 13 Feb 2005, 14:02:58

I don't know how much more obvious it can be, but dreams mean quite a bit and the meaning is primal. Any of you people want contact with the transcendental? It's there in your dreams every night! By transcendental I mean a realm where the cup of meaning runneth over and boredom doesn't exist.

by GD » Sun 13 Feb 2005, 19:01:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'C')ould this Queen in your dream be a symbol for some other very important female?

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sun 13 Feb 2005, 19:14:28

Heh, heh. You must not have read this thread! Of course there's a book I recommend!

by **threadbear** » Sun 13 Feb 2005, 19:27:36

PMS, Science operates from an assumption that consciousness is a necessary by-product of matter. Matter is always primary. They think mind has evolved for the sole purpose of keeping the body alive, with emotions helping to facilitate this process. Dreams must then be emotional detritus that is sluffed off in the dream state. To go a step further and assign any significance to a dream's meaning is so low down the list of priorities, that it's scoffed at.

But I agree with you that meaning is the primary, unquantifiable, the ephemeral, the essence of life.

Consciousness and emotions are primary and attached to a deeper, greater reality The body exists to support and advance them, not the other way around.

I look forward to the day when scientific materialism is seen for what it is-An mechanistic relic of the industrial revolution.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sun 13 Feb 2005, 20:02:04

Threadbear, this is very much in line with what I'm reading about now in Pinchbeck's book. I don't have a quarrel with Science, per se, as long as it is doing what it does so well, that is, to work out cause and effect relationships in the natural world. It gets scary when they apply the method to the human mind, treating it as an object. To the extent that the materialists with their hypertrophied objectifying intellects scoff at meaning in dreams, I can only scoff back at them, for I know better.

GD, congratulations to your good fortune in landing a job and a wife. If you ever find yourself puzzled at what you or your wife are doing and feeling, remember that much of who we are was formed so long ago in our earliest days. Dreams can unlock hidden purposes and meanings.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 14 Feb 2005, 01:21:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')But I agree with you that meaning is the primary, unquantifiable, the ephemeral, the essence of life.
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by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 14 Feb 2005, 02:13:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GD', ' ')(I don't know how you interpret these but it certainly looks interesting, is there any books you'd recommend?)

by **threadbear** » Tue 15 Feb 2005, 00:05:20

"Meaning" doesn't mean anything if it stops at the level of the self. That's why people resonate with shaggy dog stories, heroic myths, etc... They help them touch the eternal through the agency of another's story. They are essentially transcendental. Dreams are no different. They aren't just about self. This is where Freud was wrong, imho.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 15 Feb 2005, 01:29:11

I checked out some dream interpretation websites today. Geez, there's some goofy shit out there! I stand by the books I mentioned, though. Excellent tools if you want to use them.

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