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Re: Another Oil price Record

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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Geko45 » Tue 20 Nov 2007, 18:13:00

Like a replay of last week, it all comes down to the inventory report due out tomorrow. A bad one could move the market that much in a day, but it has to be real bad. A neutral or good report will cause the price to hold steady or drop respectively. As per the 'Weekly Petroleum Report' thread, we've been expecting a steep draw for a couple of weeks now, but it has failed to materialize. With so many factors in flux (holiday demand, larger than usual imports, Mexico's storms, etc.) it has proved quite difficult to predict lately. I'll say this, we will need to see either a bad or neutral day for the dollar in order to see $100 tomorrow. If the dollar recovers (and it had a bad day today) then oil will fall tomorrow no matter what the inventory report says.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 20 Nov 2007, 21:17:27

$98.47 now, way up over 2.5 Yergins.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Andrew_S » Tue 20 Nov 2007, 21:53:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '$')98.47 now, way up over 2.5 Yergins.
How much is a Yergin? Or is this like the game on the radio, "Mornington Crescent" (UK radio). :)
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Tue 20 Nov 2007, 22:34:04

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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Bas » Tue 20 Nov 2007, 22:37:35

that's a new record! we might be over a 100 even before the inventory report extract tomorrow morning, damn...
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby joewp » Tue 20 Nov 2007, 23:26:15

The NYMEX electronic market hit $99.29 about an hour ago, backed off a bit and is back up to $98.87.

If this run up doesn't do it, the next one surely will.

Heating oil is over $2.70/gallon too. This is going to be a cold winter for many people.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Laurasia » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 00:07:01

Hovering about $99 now - I wish it would either go up to $100 or go back down so I can go to bed. Evidently I need to get some kind of life.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby DantesPeak » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 00:42:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laurasia', 'H')overing about $99 now - I wish it would either go up to $100 or go back down so I can go to bed. Evidently I need to get some kind of life.


Actually oil has come from $94 to $99 in about the last 24 hours. That's one huge move. It may need little rest before it moves on, but with an unfavorable US inventory report Wednesday morning it may well move past $100 then.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Geko45 » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 00:46:07

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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Eli » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 01:01:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laurasia', 'H')overing about $99 now - I wish it would either go up to $100 or go back down so I can go to bed. Evidently I need to get some kind of life.


Actually oil has come from $94 to $99 in about the last 24 hours. That's one huge move. It may need little rest before it moves on, but with an unfavorable US inventory report Wednesday morning it may well move past $100 then.


The other very important thing to keep an eye on is the dollar. We could have a good inventory report but if someone big dumps the dollar we will blow right past 100 dollar oil. And that of course will have to be price adjusted for the current dollar, the one that is not worth a dollar anymore.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 01:44:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Andrew_S', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '$')98.47 now, way up over 2.5 Yergins.
How much is a Yergin? Or is this like the game on the radio, "Mornington Crescent" (UK radio). :)


Sorry for the delay - a Yergin is $38/bbl, a prediction made by Yergin a couple of years back for what oil should have been in 2006 (I think).
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Starvid » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 02:33:28

$100 is a strong psychological barrier. It will be hard to break, but when it is broken, a further strong upside is very possible as the psychological resisitance, which has worked against rational pricing, is gone.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Ayame » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 04:05:00

Yes, it's a bit like here it the UK.

The petrol price went over 100.00p a few weeks ago, but once that barrier was broken it just continued to soar up to 107.99 for diesel.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby peak » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 04:39:16

I bet the light crude oil on nymex is going to break through $100 a barrel from that inventory report on Wednesday. The trading volatility itself should break it. We've had a big run up in crude oil prices and no single major supply disruptions (such as an OPEC oil embargo) and prices still remain high and go higher after the old Venezuelan oil embargo threats.

Cold weather and a small pipeline blown up half way across the world are now blamed for high oil prices. I think there is to little supply and to great of a demand. How could speculators drive the price of crude oil from SUB 20's in the late and early 1990's to $90+ a barrel?
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Leanan » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 08:11:20

The USD Index hits a new low:

http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX&v=d12

Unless the inventory report is very good, $100 oil, here we come.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Carlhole » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 11:00:08

I bet that the market goes kind of sideways today and doesn't break $100. Probably most of the important action was done yesterday.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby idomar » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 11:18:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I') bet that the market goes kind of sideways today and doesn't break $100. Probably most of the important action was done yesterday.


I am kinda confused about yesterday's action, the consensus was for a build, which one would naturally assume the price of crude to go down, unless this is the pump before the numbers to enable a nice short today.

although, the action could have been on the fact that the consensus was sooo far out of line that today is going to be a nightmare and yesterday was the appetiser.

well, we will find out in about an hour, I am going with Pup's suggestion of -3.5 million, if we see that expect another +3% up day, closing near to $105. and with the market pit session closed tomorrow, it could get seriously volatile when it reopens.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Leanan » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 12:25:26

So, is it $100 yet? :wink:
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Eli » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 12:30:55

Nope, just more proof that the markets are an inside game designed to hose the average shmo.

The report was all priced in yesterday now the vultures are taking their profits.

One thing that I have learned over and over on this site is I would never want to be a short term oil trader.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 12:53:45

Oil is DOWN after an unexpected fall in inventory his morning.

WTF?

Might as well not even bother using common sense in this market. All reason has been lost.

PPT? More like Gandalf and a magic wand!
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