[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I') must agree. If you are feeling fatigued, go to the doctor!
My brother got to the point he was so tired, he could barely get off the couch.
Went to the doctor, and found out it was leukemia.
Go to the doctor!

[EndOfGrowth]

mmasters, Prolonged exposure to stress depletes serotonin levels in the brain which can induce depression and feelings of lethargy. 5-htp (5-Hydroxytryptophan ) facilitates the production of serotonin in the brain. You can buy it over the counter at most good chemists. I have suffered chronic anxiety and mild depression for years and have tried a number of prescription drugs to alleviate the symptoms, all of which had awful side effects. 5-htp has none and is organic and highly effective for treating depression, stress/anxiety (they are the same thing).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-HTP

[vision-master]

Why do these doctors keep pushing shit that don't help?

When the mood gets unbearable, nothing better than a little green prozac. Wished I lived in Cali, I'd go see the dope doctor................


FYI: DHEA - Dehydroepiandrosterone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydroepiandrosterone

[Kingcoal]

Isn't DHEA the main active ingrediant in penis enlargement pills? If that's the case, a growing penis is enough to lift any man out of depression!

[Troyboy1208]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'f')ish oil, digestive enzymes, rhodiola, b-vitamins and vitamin c, celtic sea salt, organic eggs and meat, lots of fresh fruit and fiborous veggies, eliminate soy and high fructose corn syrup, some type of daily light-to-moderate exercise, plus a hammock in the sunshine and a loyal & playful dog if you got 'em. . .

a search for "adrenal fatigue" at http://www.testosterone.net will yield more.

[oiless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Troyboy1208', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'f')ish oil, digestive enzymes, rhodiola, b-vitamins and vitamin c, celtic sea salt, organic eggs and meat, lots of fresh fruit and fiborous veggies, eliminate soy and high fructose corn syrup, some type of daily light-to-moderate exercise, plus a hammock in the sunshine and a loyal & playful dog if you got 'em. . .

a search for "adrenal fatigue" at http://www.testosterone.net will yield more.

[PhebaAndThePilgrim]

Good evening from Pheba, from the farm:
I have been diagnosed with a lot of stuff over the last 12 years. I became ill while working a high pressure corporate job. Quit the job. I still did not get better. I have been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, depression, adrenal exhaustion. Lyme disease (yes, I did have a tick bite), lupus, mixed connective tissue disease, rheumatoid arthritis. (blood work was positive for all of the above).
The past two years blood work has been negative. I am on a simple antibiotic, a tetracycline drug. I have been on the drug for 2-1/2 years, and I have my life back.
I still can't handle a lot of stress, and suffer a lot of joint and muscle pain. I am 52 by the way.
Being PO aware is stress enough. I do not work outside of the home.
There is a web site called www.roadback.org that discusses antibiotic protocol for rheumatoid arthritis and related illnesses.
The treatment has worked a miracle for me.
Now, concerning the soy. On top of all of the above problems I am also a cancer survivor. Specifically endometrial uterine cancer.
One instruction my oncologist was very specific on was not touching any soy whatsoever.
Soy has estrogenic effects and my cancer was estrogenic based.
Also, most people do not know that soy consumption should be limited to once or twice a week.
There are properties to soy that science does not fully understand.
The estrogenic effects of soy are especially troubling.
Also, I have allergies, and when I was tested I had a very bad reaction to the soy. The allergist said soy is a common allergen.
Soy is not all it is cracked up to be.

Pheba.

[PhebaAndThePilgrim]

PS from Pheba.
I went to the Missouri cancer center a few years ago to discuss having the DNA test done for bad cancer genes. I have a big family history of cancer. I did not have the test done. But, while I was waiting to speak with the DNA specialist I was perusing a poster on ways to avoid cancer, and things to avoid during chemotherapy. Right there on the chart was the following:
Avoid all soy and soy products.
Go figure.
Pheba.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I') take melatonin before bed, too, and have slept much better since I started doing so about a year ago.

[oiless]

Thanks for the roadback link Pheba.
Someone I know has rheumatoid arthritis. I have been trying to convince her to investigate the antibiotic treatments for it before it becomes crippling, (permanent joint damage) without success. She chooses to listen to doctors that prescribe drugs that are dangerous and ineffective instead. (Who would you listen to, a doctor, or a nob like me?)
Hard in Canada to get doctors to take responsibility for anything outside the mainstream, (even if they're aware of "outside the mainstream") as they run the risk of loosing their licenses. The mainstream of course is determined by the flow of money, and there ain't no money in curing arthritis with cheap patent expired antibiotics like tetracycline. Ineffective treatment of symptoms with $20 a pill patented drugs, now that's cutting edge.

[thuja]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'f')ish oil, digestive enzymes, rhodiola, b-vitamins and vitamin c, celtic sea salt, organic eggs and meat, lots of fresh fruit and fiborous veggies, eliminate soy and high fructose corn syrup, some type of daily light-to-moderate exercise, plus a hammock in the sunshine and a loyal & playful dog if you got 'em. . .

a search for "adrenal fatigue" at http://www.testosterone.net will yield more.

[gg3]

Melatonin levels are related to one's circadian rhythm (biological clock: day/night cycle), thus melatonin supplements are often used to quickly adjust to a new schedule for example when traveling.

Melatonin can be used as a sleeping aid, by taking it about a half hour before desired bedtime. However it should not be used for more than a couple of days at a time except on the advice of a health professional, otherwise there is a risk that your body can come to depend on it and that you may experience difficulties getting off it.

About 5-HTP: It's been popular in the geek subculture as part of an overall supplementation routine aimed at keeping the brain in top shape for geek-work. However I have found personally that taking the standard 100 mg. capsule produces gas & diarrhea, and others I know have found that taking it in larger doses produces nausea and vomiting. What appears to work for me is about a 5 - 10 mg. dose, which requires opening up the capsule and taking out a small amount of the powder each time. Needless to say this can create the impression among bystanders, that one is taking illegal drugs.

Question: where can one obtain 5-HTP in 5 milligram capsules?

Re. DHEA: I never heard it had anything to do with male sexuality; anyone know anything concrete about that?

Recent experience department: Nasty cold last week, which included a mild fever. On about the third day, I started dosing on vitamin C, 500 mg capsules, 4x daily, and the worst of the cold went away overnight. I stayed in for the entire week so as not to go spreading the damn cold around (it's apparently very contagious), but at least the rest of the week wasn't miserable. I'm still sniffling and blowing my nose, but the vitamin C apparently knocked the cold down a few notches immediately, which has made it bearable.

[Jellric]

The problem with avoiding soy is that it is present in a majority of processed foods. Grab some processed foods from your cabinet and look on the labels.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'f')ish oil, digestive enzymes, rhodiola, b-vitamins and vitamin c, celtic sea salt, organic eggs and meat, lots of fresh fruit and fiborous veggies, eliminate soy and high fructose corn syrup, some type of daily light-to-moderate exercise, plus a hammock in the sunshine and a loyal & playful dog if you got 'em. . .

a search for "adrenal fatigue" at http://www.testosterone.net will yield more.

[thuja]

Ummm...I didn't mention nutrition...except cutting out coffee- Matt did...

But if you truly believe that you can eat cheetos, McDonalds and Diet Coke all day and not get some anxiety and depression side effects, then by all means go for it.

[vision-master]

Cutting out coffee is BS too. I mean if that the case, you better cut out turkey also. No milk either, milk is for the young.

Like those veggies thinking they have healthier lives. I don't know about you, but my eyes ain't set like a cows.........

[mmasters]

It's not BS, diet/nutrition can be a large factor in burn out and it's vital for recovery.

[vision-master]

OK, here's the deal. Exercise as you wish and eat a well balanced diet (like mommy always told you to do). On top of that take 25mg of DHEA 6 out of 7 days a week during early morning hrs (like 4-5 AM) along with your vitamin pill. You can up that to 50mg, but for me it was a little to speedy. That should help you alot.

Try it for a week and get back to me. You should feel the difference within 1 hr after the dosage.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

There are two problems with soy. 1) you virtually can't get any without it having been genetically modified in some way. 2) it has high estrogen levels and plays with peoples hormone levels/ emotions and in some cases guys have started taking on more feminine traits.

I have been having problems for years and when I moved I went to a new doctor who said I had been misdiagnosed for years and went on to diagnose Adrenal Fatigue.

Of course they rarely tell you what to do. He did say to avoid processed food, sugar, caffeine and stress. lol. can anyone do that? It is possible though that I have been suffering with it for so long that my adrenal glands can't be rescued (or so I've been told).

I've discovered 5-HTP, and Chromium (which is used for A-typical depression). I also discovered that the Carbohydrate Addicts Diet can lessen some of my digestive issues (like gassey highly acidic stomache that had been diagnosed as being Irritable Bowel Syndrome).

If you can give any links about this diet you have been on Mmasters it would be appreciated.

[EndOfGrowth]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', '
')
About 5-HTP: It's been popular in the geek subculture as part of an overall supplementation routine aimed at keeping the brain in top shape for geek-work. However I have found personally that taking the standard 100 mg. capsule produces gas & diarrhea, and others I know have found that taking it in larger doses produces nausea and vomiting. What appears to work for me is about a 5 - 10 mg. dose, which requires opening up the capsule and taking out a small amount of the powder each time.