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Re: Stress & Adrenal Fatigue - Essential Information for

Unread postby mmasters » Mon 15 Oct 2007, 20:49:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I')f you can give any links about this diet you have been on Mmasters it would be appreciated.


Hey Unknown, check this link out and read the section on diet, also check out the "food choice table" it really helped me a lot, I've also found it key to eat on a tight schedule and get mild to moderate exercise (no intense exercise though).
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_f ... atigue.cfm

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'ve discovered 5-HTP, and Chromium (which is used for A-typical depression). I also discovered that the Carbohydrate Addicts Diet can lessen some of my digestive issues (like gassey highly acidic stomache that had been diagnosed as being Irritable Bowel Syndrome).


My digestive problems went away as I went with the diet which is in a nutshell NO flour, sugar, starch, white rice/pasta, dairy, alcohol, fruit juice or white bread. Eat lots of vegetables, protein, whole grain bread and snacks, add salt in your food or water.

I've also been taking magnesium citrate 200mg, vitamin C 1000mg and E 400mg with every meal too (noticably helps).

Also, I just started taking Dr Wilson's supplements today (he's the first doctor to classify Adrenal Fatigue and came up with the diagnostic criteria for it). The super stress formula here has chromium and 5-HTP in it, here the ingredients list:

Ingredients - A proprietary blend of vitamin A (as solubilized palmitate), vitamin C (as mineral ascorbates), vitamin E (mixed tocopherols), vitamin B1 (as thiamine HCL), vitamin B2 (as riboflavin HCL & Riboflavin 5' phosphate), vitamin B3 (as inositol hexaniacinate), vitamin B5 (as d-calcium pantothenate), vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine HCL & pyridoxal 5' phosphate), biotin, folic acid, magnesium (as ascorbate & citrate), manganese ascorbate, zinc ascorbate, chromium (as picolinate), copper (Kreb's cycle undiluted), selenium (as selenomethionine), citrus bioflavinoids, L-5 hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP), choline bitartrate, kelp, potassium para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA).

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/products/ ... ormula.php

I also got the Adrenal Rebuilder formula, might check that out too, they seem like a great combo. He also says it's a must to take Magnesium Citrate and Vitamin C in conjunction with the adrenal re builder and super stress formula.

Lately I've felt better than I have in months, I still don't have a lot of stamina though and if I eat bad I notice I start to regress some. Alcohol is a big one to avoid I did that a week ago and felt terrible again for a few days and regressed. Stay away from alcohol for a good while for sure. I'll report back on the healing process, I have a feeling I'll be back to normal in a few weeks on these supplements combined with the new lifestycle habits.
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Feeling stressed?

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 11:26:52

This might be just the thing for you: Click the piggy.

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Re: Feeling stressed?

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Re: Feeling stressed?

Unread postby mmasters » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 14:24:47

Backsteet boys reminded me of this :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmVU08zVpA
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Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Unread postby vfr » Mon 31 Dec 2007, 21:12:44

Whatever the area of mind abuse - a sick mind that is constantly busy cannot heal itself without rest. Nor can that mind think rationally when it is sick. Meditation on nothingness (zazen) helps quiet a "sticky brain" that seems to hold onto everything. I can get positive results with just 15 to 20 minutes a day sitting meditation time. It helps if I sit at regular time. I meditate on nothingness, although some meditate on an object If you can get to a half hour meditation time, that is great. Do not confuse zazen with sleep. Having a brain awake and empty if far different from a brain asleep and still producing thoughts and dreams. It just takes time and practice. Morning works better for me than mid day...there are less things distracting me earlier in the day usually.

The important point is to just do it and do it regularly and do not make demands on your meditation practice or have expectations. Balance is very important in life. We need some spiritual practice and some physical as well. We sometimes forget we are spiritual beings residing in physical bodies living in physical world and need effort in both areas.

There are many other ways to use meditation besides traditional sitting meditation. There is also working mediation and walking mediation practices. If you do yoga, you can try combining meditation with your Yoga practice. Mindfulness meditation all starts with being aware of ones breath. I also make use of meditation tools such as a meditation timer. One type is a $10 CD that sounds a gong after a preset time. The other one is an expensive $100 electric gong timer that can also be used as an alarm clock or Yoga timer.

Sometimes I might use the 15 minute preset time just to get into a state conducive to meditation and when the gong goes off keep sitting until I feel like getting up naturally. These are usually the best sessions for me, although they require a person to have some freedom of time. Seldom can I sit for longer than 30 to 35 minutes at a session due to time and my ability. But, don't get caught up in ego and try to mediate ad infinitum thinking the longer the better. One out of balance practitioner I knew bragged how he could meditate the main away from his rotting teeth with long hours of meditation. In his case too much sitting and too little oral hygiene -- stay balanced.

Any sort of timer is fine except one that jars you out of meditation in an abusive and agitating manner. A timer frees one's mind from worrying about such things. This should also apply to our alarm clocks in the morning. I use a CD clock that plays birds singing. Start your day off in peace. If you need further advice, there are many good books, videos or tapes on meditating from your local library that can help. Also many internet resources.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zazen


http://www.mro.org/zmm/teachings/meditation.php





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Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Unread postby Pops » Tue 01 Jan 2008, 00:12:19

I read the first few posts and quit reading as few folks here have much of an idea of stress.

I have no idea of real stress in the Doomer vein but a little in the world – at least up to now.

My thoughts are that one can only handle stress a few ways:

Fold.
Blow now
Blow later

If you fold, you and everyone depending on you lose.

If you blow now you and yours may win or lose depending on which way you blow.

But pushing emotions way into your gut (to let them out later at a safer time) and trying to keep in your head in the moment seems the best bet.

Worked so far anyway…
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Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Unread postby Ferretlover » Tue 01 Jan 2008, 01:23:36

Anybody else here feeling strangely detached recently?

As though one knows what is coming-what will be, will be?
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Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Unread postby threadbear » Tue 01 Jan 2008, 01:41:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') read the first few posts and quit reading as few folks here have much of an idea of stress.


To laugh. Are you kidding? I've had stress that would have killed a rogue elephant and lived through it. I'm sure I'm not alone on this thread. Peak oil, and everything else will be a walk in the park, comparatively speaking.
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Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Unread postby Pops » Tue 01 Jan 2008, 02:09:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'T')o laugh.


My apologies to the one tougher than a Rogue Elephant for any stress I may have caused with my taps here in nowhere.
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Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Unread postby FreakOil » Wed 02 Jan 2008, 09:14:14

The stress that would result from not being able to find food is categorically different than stress from work or some other aspect of modern life. You can't just go fishing; the only way to deal with that stress is to keep looking for food.
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Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Unread postby aldente » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 18:24:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vfr', ' ')Do not confuse zazen with sleep


Why not?

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Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Unread postby mmasters » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 20:58:32

BTW, I found the answer I was looking for when I started this thread through a combination of diet, lifestyle changes and supplements.

What to avoid:
Remove sugar from your diet as much as possible (including white bread, white rice, white pasta and potatoes).

Avoid caffeine, processed food, junk food, msg and hydrogenated oils (found in most butter and margerine products).

Avoid fruit and fruit juice in the morning as the blood sugar fluctuations can reak havoc on your hormonal balance which needs to be strong early in the day.

Avoid tap water. Avoid excessive alcohol usage.

What to eat:
Whole grains. Multi-grains. Protein. Lots of Vegetables. Include healthy oils like olive, flax, palm, safflower where possible.

Ideally a combination of all these things for every meal.

Supplements:
Take Vitamin C daily at least 1000mg. Time released is best. Ester-C is a non acidic form of C that works great.

If under a lot of stress or you know you're going to be, up your Vit C and also take 150-200mg of Magnesium Citrate and a B complex.

Panthothenic acid, vitamin E, Calcium and Fish or flax oil are good as well (the minerals and oils are best taken before bed).

Lifestyle changes:
Eat 3 meals a day, never skip breakfast and eat breakfast before 10am.

Try to get at least 8 hours sleep. Try to limit negativity in your life including limiting your time spent at peakoil.com and similar sites.

Get light to moderate exercise. Avoid strenuous exercise if you are having stress issues as it can deplete your body of nutrients and put strain on your glands.

Spend time with family and friends. Get good sex when possible!
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Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 23:04:21

I've found the program of meditation CD's at http://www.centerpointe.com to be very helpful, especially if you are prone to worry or stress. I've been using them for over five years. Just ignore the new age hype on the site, the science behind them is impressive. They have a free demo that you can order, if you want to try it.

Also for me, doing things involving water calms me down. Washing dishes, watering the garden, a shower, swimming, whatever. I'm not sure why but it works every time.
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Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Unread postby btu2012 » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 18:51:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'P')aranoid loons. :lol:


Did anyone call my name ? :)
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Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Unread postby kakkerlak » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 04:11:35

Nothing is more comforting then sleeping when you're really really tired.

Aggression and pain are good ways to get rid of stress. Especially if you hurt yourself hitting a concrete wall. :(

Sports like boxing, running or anything that is physical demanding do help to (at least for a moment) relieve stress.

And...uhh...destroying stuff is fun!

Have fun (destroying)!
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Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 10:00:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') read the first few posts and quit reading as few folks here have much of an idea of stress.


To laugh. Are you kidding? I've had stress that would have killed a rogue elephant and lived through it. I'm sure I'm not alone on this thread. Peak oil, and everything else will be a walk in the park, comparatively speaking.


once i had enough stress that i started getting teeth cavities, even though i was flossing, brushing, eating healthy but not healthy enough. ended up with 10 cavities, which became 13 by the time all was said & done. i could feel the little metal pointy thing catching in each one of them (though i think the dentist was a little money hungry, not all of them needed to be filled.)

a GP doctor told me that stress can turn your saliva acidic (a similar thing happens when people use meth).

besides all the aforementioned (can't wait till we see articles in the MSM that quote this thread, "energy survivalists at PeakOil.com recommend masturbation as a technique for dealing with rising fuel prices"), i would add, take a class in something, so as to have something to focus your mind on while the storm seas wash around you.

in my case, it's visual effects software. ILM doesn't have a lot of job openings for vision impaired animators, but, that's almost a separate subject. it's just good to have something complex to focus your mind on, that you can step away from when your mind feels like a goose that's being force-fed information.
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"Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 17:42:20

Maybe some of the experts here can help out, but I was reading and the idea of planning was referred to as "memories of the future". This got me to thinking about how if a plan is experienced in some way psychologically as a "memory" of the future, or perhaps a projection of future events, plans based upon unhappy assumptions such as peak oil could have unintended psychological effects in the present.

This would be something akin to "pre-traumatic stress disorder"--i.e., the stress of an event not-yet-experienced causes symptoms similar to the more traditional post-traumatic stresss disorder.

Any thoughts on this idea?
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Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 19:03:42

Well, it certainly kills any of the fun of just living, that's for sure.
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Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 19:15:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'W')ell, it certainly kills any of the fun of just living, that's for sure.


It takes our remarkable ability to look into the future and plan and turns it into a liability that translates into a crippling fear in the present.

In some ways our stress response is wholly unsuited to the problems we are faced with in this industrialized world.
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