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THE Avian (Bird) Flu Thread Part 2 (merged)

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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby NEOPO » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 12:46:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'N')eo, what the hell difference does it make if it's engineered and deliberately released or simply occurs naturally? There's nothing you can do about it either way. I really don't understand why that's so important to you.

Flu is not a good candidate for a bioweapon. It mutates too easily. Microbes are our predators, as Monte has stated. There's no reason to believe H5N1 is anything other than natural.

Do you really want me to answer that?

I say alot here, why would this comment be of any greater importance then all the rest?

Science is some people's religion and not to be questioned... :lol:

We have every reason to believe that it is the goal of the elite to cull 50% of the population.
It is in our power and always has been to stop it before it occurs.

It may be natural and it may be manmade, to think otherwise is to bullshit yourself. Knowing what I know now it seems all to possible that it as well as aids is manmade or rather in the case of aids that it is a big pharma/FDA conspiracy.

Flu would be an excellent bioweapon if the elite could somehow shield themselves from it.
Science has failed our world.
Science has been subverted. No if's and's or but's about it.

Anytime someone brings up anything like this I feel it rather neccessary to remind everyone how the Nazi's were funded by the 1st world and then their knowledge and those scientists were split amongst the USA, Russia and Britian.

Bush Nazi Family Ties

Operation Paperclip

Operation PaperClip

A Tribute to Wernher von Braun

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I could just go on and on yet I am certain that this will be sufficient for the open mind to see.

Now, is that what you were trying to get out of me or were you sincerely believing the BS?

Sorry as I do not share this sense of powerlessness...

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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby roccman » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 15:18:25

Some believe SARS was genetically engineered to be most effective in Asian populations.
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby Ludi » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 15:30:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
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Sorry as I do not share this sense of powerlessness...


I guess I find that statement confusing....do you feel more powerful because you believe a group of elite are planning to kill off half or more of the Earth's population? Because it seems like you think someone who doesn't believe that has a sense of powerlessness.


What kind of power do you derive from your belief in this conspiracy?


Just curious.
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby jboogy » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 15:44:46

"Goddamn mutate sonofabitch' "-------shotgun wielding farmer near the beginning of "Back to the future"
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby Eli » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 16:23:37

Well, a paper by two Thai researchers does not a pandemic make.

Bird flu will happen or it won't, but if not bird flu something else will.


After 90 years of medical research we have about two antivirals that will work very half ass-ly against bird flu. Viruses are not bacteria, and even the bacteria are starting to win.
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby NEOPO » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 16:31:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
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Sorry as I do not share this sense of powerlessness...


I guess I find that statement confusing....do you feel more powerful because you believe a group of elite are planning to kill off half or more of the Earth's population? Because it seems like you think someone who doesn't believe that has a sense of powerlessness.


What kind of power do you derive from your belief in this conspiracy?


Just curious.

I have power and so do you, that is what I meant, nothing more and nothing less.
Perhaps if I/we knew exactly who or where or when then my/our power could be applied in an effort to stop such an attack.

If most believe that such an endeavor is useless or that we are collectively powerless then in essence we/they are.

I could say more of course like for instance yes it would be power to know the who/when/where etc etc as a person could in many ways defend themselves and their loved ones by perhaps hiding, retreating, moving etc etc.

One thing that is so very tiring is this "warm fuzzy" thinking about CT's. As if we enjoy what we have discovered.....
Try to imagine learning that pretty much everything you thought you know/knew was wrong.
Not a pleasant thought really is it?

Ultimately it is no problem as I get this all the time especially since I took up the burden/cross of being a Peak oil messenger to all of my friends and family.

Perhaps if more peakers here did the same they would realize the level of persecution and not be so quick to, to persecute.
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby NEOPO » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 17:12:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'B')efore I read the rest of the posts on this thread, I want to apologize to Neo for my tone in my last post.

Okay, now I read the rest of the posts.

Neo, I'm not saying I think they wouldn't do it, or any of the other despicable stuff you think they've done. I'm saying I don't think it matters that much which of these "conspiracy theories" are true. We know they're totally ruthless, the rest is just details.

It's okay. You are entitled to believe it does not matter and that the rest is simply details.

Why you do not recognize me and what I am saying as truth is the part I do not understand yet there is still time and sometimes we are not meant to understand everything at once.

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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby roccman » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 17:23:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'B')efore I read the rest of the posts on this thread, I want to apologize to Neo for my tone in my last post.

Okay, now I read the rest of the posts.

Neo, I'm not saying I think they wouldn't do it, or any of the other despicable stuff you think they've done. I'm saying I don't think it matters that much which of these "conspiracy theories" are true. We know they're totally ruthless, the rest is just details.

It's okay. You are entitled to believe it does not matter and that the rest is simply details.

Why you do not recognize me and what I am saying as truth is the part I do not understand yet there is still time and sometimes we are not meant to understand everything at once.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')keletons of bubonic plague victims lie in a mass grave on the island of Lazzaretto Vecchio, south of Italy's Venetian Lagoon.
When plague struck Venice in the 15th and 16th centuries, everybody sick or showing any suspect symptoms were restricted on the island until they recovered or died.

"Nobles or lower class didn't make any difference," said Luisa Gambaro, an anthropologist of the University of Padua. "All the sick were forced to stay on Lazzaretto Vecchio, and if they died, they were buried together."



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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby CarnbY » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 17:28:43

Does anyone have a link to that Thai report? (If it exists in English)
I had a quick look at Dr. Niman's recombinomics site and as far as I can see there's no mention of this recent development there...
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby Evltre » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 17:35:14

It's been reported in media here that human to human transmission has been confirmed - that was the big "event" they've been waiting for isn't it? The ability to spread from person to person rather than via birds? News Item
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby Ludi » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 18:08:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')Try to imagine learning that pretty much everything you thought you know/knew was wrong.


I don't need to "imagine" it. *shrug*
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby roccman » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 19:44:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'W')ell, a paper by two Thai researchers does not a pandemic make.

Bird flu will happen or it won't, but if not bird flu something else will.


After 90 years of medical research we have about two antivirals that will work very half ass-ly against bird flu. Viruses are not bacteria, and even the bacteria are starting to win.


Here are a few more alarming articles:

Bird flu in German farm more serious than thought

Study confirms limited human-to-human spread of avian-flu virus in Indonesia in 2006 (8/29/2007)

Study confirms human-human spread of bird flu
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby NEOPO » Fri 31 Aug 2007, 11:04:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')Try to imagine learning that pretty much everything you thought you know/knew was wrong.


I don't need to "imagine" it. *shrug*

Well then since it is old hat for you why the questions as you apparently already know the answers.

Perhaps you simply wanted to drag the answers out of me and into the open. In that case why don't you pose the question in that manner?
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 31 Aug 2007, 14:12:27

Its clear there is potential for a variant of H5N1 or for some other disease to cause a serious pandemic.

There is no evidence H5N1 or other diseases are being intentionally created by secret cabals to cause pandemics. :roll:
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby NEOPO » Fri 31 Aug 2007, 17:58:42

Prove your own existence.
Prove reality is real.
Prove I just typed this.
I double dog dare ya! :lol:

Stupid is as stupid does...
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby dorlomin » Fri 31 Aug 2007, 18:31:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'P')rove your own existence.
Prove reality is real.
Cogito ergo sum


But I think you need a shave with occams razor.
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby BlisteredWhippet » Fri 31 Aug 2007, 18:41:26

Its pretty ridiculous to reduce a mere plague to a special event by Nature.

Plagues are so common it would be the unusual generation that did not experience one in a generation.
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby Zardoz » Fri 31 Aug 2007, 18:50:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '.')..But I think you need a shave with occams razor.

Some of us just can't accept anything other than the most convoluted of Machiavellian "explanations".
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby NEOPO » Sat 01 Sep 2007, 01:38:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'P')rove your own existence.
Prove reality is real.
Cogito ergo sum


But I think you need a shave with occams razor.

Thus, since you do not think then you are not...

Occam's Razor is a squishy headed concept thought of by a squishy headed dogmatic piece of catholic trash for squishy headed sheeple.

I will burn my beard before I use it and the lilac vegetal...

Seriously, where do they clone you people?
Is there some kind of underground squishy headed cloning base that I am unaware of?

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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Postby NEOPO » Sat 01 Sep 2007, 01:39:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '.')..But I think you need a shave with occams razor.

Some of us just can't accept anything other than the most convoluted of Machiavellian "explanations".

You asked for it and you will get it.
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