[Ludi]

"Elderberry" doesnt tell us much. What part of the elderberry and how is it taken?

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

You can stock up on the Tamiflu but its less than 50% effective and it has an expiry date, so its not just going to sit around until you need it...so then what?

[edpeak]

Hi..I think some people misread the post...if you re-read
it they are not saying people should stockpile
anti-flu medicine..they are saying stockpile food because
it might not be safe to go outside for weeks and weeks on end...

the elderberry vs tamiflu debate is a seprate issue, though important..

this is about being able to, in an emergency, not have
to go outside to the supermarket etc and get infected if
there's a huge outbreak in your area..different issue
than what kind of anti-flu med to use if you get it, it's about
how to stay isolated for weeks on end..

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'Y')ou can stock up on the Tamiflu but its less than 50% effective and it has an expiry date, so its not just going to sit around until you need it...so then what?

[SeasonOfPain]

Sounds like a great idea, unless you depend upon municipal services like water, electricity, waste disposal, medical treatment, or police (in other words, most of the U.S. population).

[TITAN]

I really think this is going to be the year of the pandemic, virus of your choice. I don't think the flu will kill the amount 'they' want dead, though...

They are going to blame it on the lack of oranges and vitamin C, and most americans will believe them...

[greenworm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')umsfeld needs another $25 million cut of the Tamiflu licencing.

[Narz]

Whatever goes down I won't be getting the flu (I maintain a strong immune system, good diet, I simply don't get sick unless I subconsciously want to get out of something) and I won't be getting the shot (which doesn't seem to do much except cause side effects anyway).

Keeping a strong immune system is the way to go. Fuck hiding. Besides, I'm not convinced "the bird flu" is a real threat anyway.

The only "preperation" I'll be taking if the "bird flu" gets out is to make and eat an extra lot of kim-chi.

[gego]

Virus is easy to deal with. High temperatures (about 104) prevent the replication of virus.

Folk wisdom was to bundle up, drink fluids and go to bed. This was the result of experience before modern medicine.

Rabies was supposedly an incurable viral infection, but some country doctors whose experience I have read, cured the incurable by giving 30 minute very hot baths to elevate the patients temperature several times a day. It is dangerous but it works. A hot sauna might do the same thing so long as it elevated one's temperature to the 104 range for a 20-30 minute period of time. This should be followed by bundling up to keep the temperature as high as can be tolerated.

It works. I have done it to myself many times to fend off viral infections. If you are lucky, you might even get a short hallucination from the elevated temperature, but you must be careful and keep someone with you as the hot bath can make you feel faint.

I am not particularly interested in helping some of you aholes, but then I am not against you helping yourselves. If figure there is sort of a natural selection going on here anyway, so take this information for what it is worth to you.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'W')hatever goes down I won't be getting the flu (I maintain a strong immune system, good diet, I simply don't get sick unless I subconsciously want to get out of something) and I won't be getting the shot (which doesn't seem to do much except cause side effects anyway).

Keeping a strong immune system is the way to go. Fuck hiding. Besides, I'm not convinced "the bird flu" is a real threat anyway.

The only "preperation" I'll be taking if the "bird flu" gets out is to make and eat an extra lot of kim-chi.

[roccman]

H5N1 may have mutated $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')“An Avian Influenza H5N1 Virus That Binds to a Human-Type Receptor“. They say, nice and succinctly in their abstract, that “We describe here substitutions at position 129 and 134 identified in a virus isolated from a fatal human case that could change the receptor-binding preference of HA of H5N1 virus“.

[NEOPO]

I feel this is how the elite will divide us in two (reduce the population by 50%) yet that it will become unmanageable and end up culling 70%+.

Does anyone else get a "The Stand" vibe from all of this?

"the rats are in the field children"

[roccman]

Appears I have nested this in the wrong place...

My bad...mods please move into the open forum.

[FireJack]

Having the majority of the population die of disease would be a lot better than having them die of resource depletion. At least their is a future for the survivors.

{topic moved from Peak Oil Discussion by Shannymara}

[dorlomin]

Flu's cull the elderly, the infirm and the very young (with the exception of the great pandemic in 1918). Even if it cuts through 100 million it would barely register on the population growth statistics. Bird Flu is not really a major issue in the world of global warming, diminishing oil and exploding population numbers.

[jasonraymondson]

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[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '.')..this is how the elite will divide us in two (reduce the population by 50%) ....

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'B')ird Flu is not really a major issue in the world of global warming, diminishing oil and exploding population numbers.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'F')lu's cull the elderly, the infirm and the very young (with the exception of the great pandemic in 1918). Even if it cuts through 100 million it would barely register on the population growth statistics. Bird Flu is not really a major issue in the world of global warming, diminishing oil and exploding population numbers.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'd')olormin, more than half the people who've contracted H5N1 have died.