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THE Avian (Bird) Flu Thread Part 2 (merged)

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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Unread postby 128shot » Sat 01 Sep 2007, 01:54:47

at maximum, any said virus, or even viruses, couldn't wipe more than 10% of our population from the planet. Otherwise we would probably have been wiped by a strain of bacteria years ago.
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 01 Sep 2007, 02:30:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'a')t maximum, any said virus, or even viruses, couldn't wipe more than 10% of our population from the planet. Otherwise we would probably have been wiped by a strain of bacteria years ago.

Considering that many ancient civilizations utilized verbal record keeping, if it did happen, which I do not doubt, then the people who could have told us about it.... died.

Minus a few brilliant minds I am indeed surrounded by squishy headed idiots.....
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Unread postby dorlomin » Sat 01 Sep 2007, 07:03:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'O')ccam's Razor is a squishy headed concept thought of by a squishy headed dogmatic piece of catholic trash for squishy headed sheeple.
No it forms an important part of distinguishing between hypotheses and legitimate theories in the Popperian philosophy of science in addition to its core falsifyability premise.

This is most often presented on internet forums by using IPU's or invisible pink unicorns.

We can hypothisyse that H5N1 is caused by invisible pink unicorns, but it is not a theory until we can make testable predictions about the future progress of the disease that will differ from any other natural disease progression. Until such a time the simplest explanation is the only scientificaly valid one.

It may be that flying spagetti monsters, invisible pink unicorns or global conspiracies are directing the development of H5N1, but until you can present a testable difference between that and the natural progress of a pathogen it remains a hypothisis.

This is the key to why Intelligent Design is not legally a scientific theory in the US. It fails the application of a falsifyable test to differentiat between it and the less complex theory of natural evolution.

I have never come across 'squsihy headed sheeple' as a counter argument to the philosphy or Karl Popper. Perhaps there is some part of Khun I am missing.
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 01 Sep 2007, 12:04:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'O')ccam's Razor is a squishy headed concept thought of by a squishy headed dogmatic piece of catholic trash for squishy headed sheeple.
No it forms an important part of distinguishing between hypotheses and legitimate theories in the Popperian philosophy of science in addition to its core falsifyability premise.

This is most often presented on internet forums by using IPU's or invisible pink unicorns.

We can hypothisyse that H5N1 is caused by invisible pink unicorns, but it is not a theory until we can make testable predictions about the future progress of the disease that will differ from any other natural disease progression. Until such a time the simplest explanation is the only scientificaly valid one.

It may be that flying spagetti monsters, invisible pink unicorns or global conspiracies are directing the development of H5N1, but until you can present a testable difference between that and the natural progress of a pathogen it remains a hypothisis.

This is the key to why Intelligent Design is not legally a scientific theory in the US. It fails the application of a falsifyable test to differentiat between it and the less complex theory of natural evolution.

I have never come across 'squsihy headed sheeple' as a counter argument to the philosphy or Karl Popper. Perhaps there is some part of Khun I am missing.

I am certain that Popper and his supporters would choose to believe the official version of 911, that climate science indicating AGW is false, that the US is indeed in Iraq and Afghanistan to spread democracy yet is simply failing, that the war on terror is justifiable etc etc etc.

Odd that someone who may have actually read such "high brow" works has quite an issue with grammar... I suppose english is your 5th language er something to that effect 8)

I could show (to the open minded one's at least) in a few links where this all derives yet this is not the thread, time nor place. Research Fabian society, George Soros, Tony Blair and the london school of economics.

I took a poll a while back about the new 911, what form would it take and as I recall, the theory that bird flu or other biological attack got quite a few licks yet I was not surprised by this.

The media was pumping bird flu like the war on terror in 2006 and some of us know who is in control of the media while others call us CT's...
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Unread postby dorlomin » Sat 01 Sep 2007, 12:11:48

Do you have anything relevant to add to the debate on bird flu or is it just waffle and argumentum ad hominem?
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 01 Sep 2007, 14:17:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'D')o you have anything relevant to add to the debate on bird flu or is it just waffle and argumentum ad hominem?

Yeah that is all and I am only here waiting for your invalueable contributions :o
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Unread postby Stratovarius » Sat 01 Sep 2007, 22:18:22

Philosophy is for bitches man!
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Re: H5N1 may have mutated...

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 01 Sep 2007, 23:07:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', 'P')hilosophy is for bitches man!

And violins are for? :)
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Bird Flu Thread 2008

Unread postby KevO » Sun 16 Dec 2007, 09:56:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')WHO bird flu experts to investigate if Pakistan outbreak was spread through human contact by STEPHEN GRAHAM, Associated Press Writer Dec 16, 2007 3:30 AM:
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - International health experts have been dispatched to Pakistan to help investigate the cause of South Asia's first outbreak of bird flu in people and determine if the virus could have been transmitted through human contact, officials said Sunday.

There are now 8 cases and this is the first time that H2H has been of such a concern. Keep an eye on this one.

US Press

and UK press

Merged with THE Avian (Bird) Flu Thread Part 2 (merged) .-FL
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Re: Bird Flu Thread 2008

Unread postby KevO » Sun 16 Dec 2007, 10:00:47

I do not like the look of this. The only 'positive' if this is the dreaded pandemic is that peak oil will never happen..
AU citizens told to Stockpile food for flu crisis
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')VERY Australian household should stockpile at least 10 weeks' worth of food rations to prepare for a deadly flu pandemic, a panel of leading nutritionists has warned.

World health experts now agree a pandemic is inevitable and will spread rapidly, wiping out up to 7.4 million people globally and triggering rapid food shortages.

Australia is expected to be among the first countries hit because of its proximity to Asia and high levels of international traffic.

But Woolworths and Coles, the nation's two major supermarket chains, will run out of stock within two to four weeks without a supply chain – or even faster if shoppers panic.

This has prompted a team of leading nutritionists and dietitians from the University of Sydney to compile "food lifeboat" guidelines to cover people's nutritional needs for at least 10 weeks.

Their advice – published in the Medical Journal of Australia – would allow citizens to stay inside their homes and avoid contact with infected people until a vaccine becomes available.

The lifeboat includes affordable long-life staples such as rice, biscuits, milk powder, Vegemite, canned tuna, chocolate, lentils, Milo and Weet-Bix.

Jennie Brand-Miller, professor of human nutrition at the University of Sydney and co-leader of the study, believes it is common sense to stockpile food before a pandemic strikes. "It's really not a question of if: it's a question of when," she said.

8O :shock:
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Re: Bird Flu Thread 2008

Unread postby KevO » Sun 16 Dec 2007, 10:29:02

I'M POSTING TWO VERY IMPORTANT LINKS TO KEEP HEADS UP ON WHAT IS NOW BEING RUMOURED AS AIRBORNE H2H:

link

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link

EVERYONE STAY VIGILANT. If the markets go into free fall this week, we know it's time
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Re: Bird Flu Thread 2008

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Sun 16 Dec 2007, 11:17:51

i didn't know if you guys would be interested in this!

The sequence of events:
1. world-wide flu pandemic in 1918, a virulent form of the virus to which the young & healthy are strangely vulnerable.

2. USAMRIID, US government germ warfare experts, travel to Norway in approx. 1997 to dig up the graves of people who died in the 1918 epidemic. New Yorker magazine reports on this in 1997, and states that the purpose of the USAMRIID expedition is to obtain live samples of the virus, stored beneath the permafrost for approx. 79 years.

New Yorker Mag. article on 1918 Pandemic

page 2

3. FF to 2007. Sonoma county paper reports clustering of flu deaths at military bases. a form of the flu virus to which the young & healthy are strangely vulnerable.
Flu 2007 and Flu 2007b

What could cause clusters of flu deaths at military bases? Vaccines. Lots of vaccines. US troops get lots of vaccine shots.

Who makes vaccines? Does USAMRIID have anything to do with the vaccines received by US troops ?
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Re: Bird Flu Thread 2008

Unread postby roccman » Sun 16 Dec 2007, 11:49:10

Shit!!!!!
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Re: Bird Flu Thread 2008

Unread postby KevO » Sun 16 Dec 2007, 11:49:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'S')hit!!!!!

Yeah I know. :cry:
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Re: Bird Flu Thread 2008

Unread postby FireJack » Sun 16 Dec 2007, 12:15:18

How about we stay calm and observe how things are evolving. Screaming we're all doomed based on what is known now is not justified.
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Re: Bird Flu Thread 2008

Unread postby roccman » Sun 16 Dec 2007, 12:22:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FireJack', 'H')ow about we stay calm and observe how things are evolving. Screaming were all doomed based on what is known now is not justified.

Why do some tend to marginalize everything?
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Re: Bird Flu Thread 2008

Unread postby thor » Sun 16 Dec 2007, 12:55:05

Global transportation will be stopped when this is indeed H2H airborn bird flu. This could get very ugly.
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Re: Bird Flu Thread 2008

Unread postby roccman » Sun 16 Dec 2007, 13:00:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thor', 'G')lobal transportation will be stopped when this is indeed H2H airborn bird flu. This could get very ugly.

Agreed...and as the article said...it is not if, but when.

This will happen when the markets collapse, unemployment is 30-50%...oil is $700 a barrel...oh and the draft comes back to supply troops in the new war with Iran.

Ya think I am being too alarmist...??

I think I am being rather optimistic. Did I mention GW/GD (related to food shortages) and a nuclear exchange?
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Re: Bird Flu Thread 2008

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Sun 16 Dec 2007, 13:07:33

certainly, some departments of the American government like to blame our problems on designated bogeymen, like "them damn terrorists", and "that darn bird-flu".

when the stock market crashes, will the US government try to pin it on some bogeyman (or not to be sexist, bogey people ?)

that's one of the things that is alarming about a flu pandemic. the Working Assets Market Group/ Plunge Protection team, that occasionally steps in to buy stocks & "calm the markets", may choose at some point to withhold their support.
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Re: Bird Flu Thread 2008

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 16 Dec 2007, 13:27:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', 'T')here are now 8 cases and this is the first time that H2H has been of such a concern. Keep an eye on this one.
US Press

Here is a quote from your reference:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')pecimens were never collected from one of the brothers who died, and many of those who tested positive experienced only mild symptoms and were not hospitalized, Hartl said.

As we can easily find out, it is usually causing mild symptoms only. Nothing to worry about.
Flu pandemic will come, vaccine will be produced and distributed in usual fashion, flu pandemic will go away and perhaps few millions of peoples will die worldwide meantime.
Hardly a disaster.

This essentially mean that global population will still grow, while pandemic is spreading worldwide. That is something to be concerned about.
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