[chuck6877]

Yea that last page being empty was awfully annoying

I also think the bird flu will be one of the final blows to society. Will it be planned ?

[kadoomsoon]

Here are two things that will really help:
There are large air filters you can get at costco or home depot, all they do is blow air through a filter and back out, it is a paper filter and some have like charcoal on a band around the filter to remove odors.

Trust me. Buy two of them now while you can... one may break. they are about 300 dollars. The electrostatic ones are not worth it, just plain big fans with a large paper filter that looks like a car filter for air cleaning only bigger, these do a good job of removing dust and flaoting fomites.

This is s very good thing. Viruses do not travel by themselves, they hitch onto dust. these filters clear the dust from the air quickly. when a sunbeam shines in the window you can see dust floating in the air, with the filter running there is no dust, they get trapped in the paper filter.

This is how paper masks work, they stop sneezing fomites and they filter out some dust in the air on which a virus from a sneeze evaporated and stuck to a dust particle. You are filtering dust not viruses. The mask may not stop viruses but viruses travel on dust... so they should help.

step two, you can get an air sterilizer that mounts in your heating duct the UV light kills viruses mold and funus.

With these two things, and keeping visitors out you will not be exposed to the virus. The big thing is fomites. fomites means DUST or anything that virus can stick onto like sneeze particles etc. remove fomites this helps.

also if you have allergies removing dust from the air makes you feel better.

I am considering printing up some official looking signs that say ISOLATION - INFECTION to put on the road coming onto the property, this should keep out most intelligent people.

Live in the country, on the west side of the us (ocean breeze) dust filtering and UV duct light, you should do fine. yes you would have to hide out till spring. Kind of boring.

Finally - do not go to a hospital! Hospitals could once again become what they used to be, a place to go to die.

[SD_Scott]

Human to Human confirmed: MSNBC

[KevO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SD_Scott', 'H')uman to Human confirmed: MSNBC

[jeezlouise]

On a (semi) lighter note: News from the "batshit crazy" division: Bhutto killed by bird flu!

[billg]

Growing H5N1 Clusters in Egypt Raise Pandemic Concerns
Recombinomics Commentary 01:20 2 Jan 2008:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')etained Hospital pathogenesis Mahala [Mahallah] two new cases of suspected bird flu disease injured and the two decimal [name doesn't translate] "34 years" policeman. The child, Huda Khaled "a year and a half."

Received hospital pathogenesis Beni Suef Anwar Ali Sayyad 25 years

The above translations define two more geographical clusters of confirmed or suspect H5N1 cases in Egypt. Two suspect cases have been hospitalized in Mahalla in Gharbiya, while a new suspect case was in Beni Suef, the location of the first confirmed case this season.

It addition to the two geographical clusters above, there is a large cluster in Menoufia, which contains one familial and two geographic clusters. There is also a familial suspect cluster in Port Said (see satellite map).

All of these clusters have developed in the past week, raising concerns that the H5N1 circulating in Egypt is transmitting more efficiently than H5N1 in prior outbreaks in Egypt. Thus far, the fatalities have been concentrated in the confirmed cases, where four of the five have died. Although there is only one fatality among the suspect cases, most were hospitalized in the past few days, so they haven’t been lab confirmed, and more time is needed to determine if they are positive and / or fatally infected.

More information should be forthcoming in the next several days, but Egypt has already issued an alert and begun dispensing Tamiflu.

More information on lab tests and sequences from the confirmed cases would be useful.

[billg]

Suspected cases of bird flu explode in Egypt during last couple days

[deMolay]

Pandemic

[deMolay]

The Pandemic
Influenza Strikes
Voices of the Pandemic
Fighting Influenza
The Legacy of the Pandemic
voices of the pandemic
March 1918
“On March 30, 1918, the occurrence of eighteen cases of influenza of severe type, from which three deaths resulted was reported at Haskell, Kansas.” Public Health Reports, March, 1918

September 1918
“This epidemic started about four weeks ago, and has developed so rapidly that the camp is demoralized and all ordinary work is held up till it has passed....These men start with what appears to be an ordinary attack of LaGrippe or Influenza, and when brought to the Hosp. they very rapidly develop the most viscous type of Pneumonia that has ever been seen. Two hours after admission they have the Mahogany spots over the cheek bones, and a few hours later you can begin to see the Cyanosis extending from their ears and spreading all over the face, until it is hard to distinguish the coloured men from the white. It is only a matter of a few hours then until death comes, and it is simply a struggle for air until they suffocate. It is horrible. One can stand it to see one, two or twenty men die, but to see these poor devils dropping like flies sort of gets on your nerves. We have been averaging about 100 deaths per day, and still keeping it up. There is no doubt in my mind that there is a new mixed infection here, but what I don’t know.”

A physician stationed at Fort Devens outside Boston, late September, 1918

[deMolay]

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Converted Url to hyperlink per COC 3.1.2 "Graphic content: -FL

[billg]

I'm not sure what to make out of the reports coming out of Egypt right now. Apparently, about 25 suspected cases of bird flu are being sent to the hospitals daily now. A woman with a preliminary diagnosis of bird flu was reported to have fled a hospital indicating that security measures are being taken. The confirmed cases are now being sent to a central clinic in Cairo but strangely none of the cases have been confirmed. Maybe, the fact that they are not confirmed means that the patients have only been preliminarily diagnosed.

Recombinomics

Could it be that it is all these people are nervous because of the 4 deaths last month and are wanting to take precautions due to having a common respiratory virus?

[billg]

It is possible that lack of confirmation of all these suspect cases (200 maybe) is due to the presence of a new strain of bird flu (perhaps the Uva Lake strain). We'll know soon.

I find it interesting that such a huge outbreak in suspect cases in not being covered in the media. Perhaps, the idea is not to spook the financial markets.

Egypt
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lthough the number of hospitalized patients continues to accelerate on a daily basis, there have been no announcements of confirmed cases in over a week. Although these admissions follow announcements of new poultry cases, they may represent increased awareness due to government announcement for early treatment, coupled with daily media reports of new confirmed H5N1 outbreaks in poultry (see satellite map on poultry outbreaks).

However, as seen in the first paragraphs, the specifics on the admissions are not always given, and the number of patients transferred to the Abbassia Fever Hospital in Cairo has not been announced. Media reports indicate some patients are being re-tested, but since these patients are being placed on Tamiflu, re-tests will likely confirm the negative result, including patients who have been tested early. Moreover, some fatal cases, like one of the members of the Gharbiya cluster test negative, even though there was little doubt that they were fatality infected with H5N1, as was seen in the fatal infections of two H5N1 positive family members.

The sequences of the new infections may also be a concern. The outbreak in Romania just over a month ago was due to the Uva Lake strain, which has become dominant in Europe. Since it was also in Kuwait, it is likely in Saudi Arabia and Egypt this year. Testing for this new strain, which hasn’t been reported in Egypt previously, may be limiting detection in patients.

Thus, the continue acceleration of admitted patients remains a cause for concern. More information on patient’s symptoms, as well as transfers to the Abbassia hospital would be useful.

[hubbertspeak7777777]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thor', 'G')lobal transportation will be stopped when this is indeed H2H airborn bird flu. This could get very ugly.

[jbrovont]

One thing to remember here, is that these fatality rates are for people treated in a system not in overload - granted, the treatment facilities no doubt vary in type and quality, but when the system becomes swamped, some cases where survival could be possible with ventilators, oxygen, re-hydration etc will no doubt become fatalities when there simply isn't enough staff or equipment to attend to the infected. It won't be eight people in hospital beds - people will be in the halls, and in their homes dealing with it.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', 'T')he UK Government's 'Pandemic Flu Contingency Plan' states 4 to 6 months at the earliest for a vaccine to be developed. (See section 5.4 at pdf link below.)
Are you going to go to work? Is anyone?
And Energyunlimited's 1 or 2% fatality guess is the most optimistic, it is currently 55 to 60% but most health experts think 10% - of all those that catch it which if it were to go into a pandemic, therefore airborne, could be a billion people.
UK Gov Pandemic Flu contingency plan

[IslandCrow]

On page three there was a suggestion of using a fan and filter. If the location where you are is not too cold then I would recommend you consider having a fan bringing in air from outside. This should be strong enough to create a slightly higher pressure that will help push dust particles etc out of the room/house.

I know that years ago this was used in one medical research lab in Nepal to get close to "dust free", and at times of the year it was very dusty!

[billg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he central laboratories have shown some positive samples taken from them.

[billg]

Looks like Bush has a date in Egypt on Jan 16. What are the chances he will be briefed about a suspected outbreak of H2H bird flu? What are the chances he will cancel his trip?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Highlights of Bush's Trip to the Mideast
By The Associated Press
Highlights of President Bush's upcoming trip to the Middle East, according to the planned schedule as outlined by the White House:
Jan. 9:
_Arrives in Israel. Meets with Israel's prime minister, Ehud Olmert, and president, Shimon Peres.
Jan. 10
_Visits the West Bank to meet with the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and prime minister, Salam Fayyad, at their headquarters in Ramallah.
Jan. 11
_In Israel to meet with former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, now a Middle East peace envoy. Lays a wreath at the Israel's official Holocaust memorial, Yad Vashem. Travels to Kuwait to meet with the emir, Sheik Sabah Al Ahmed Al Sabah.
Jan. 12
_In Kuwait to meet with U.S. troops at Camp Arifjan and receive updates on the situation in Iraq from the top U.S. commander, Gen. David Petraeus, and the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker. He also meets with Kuwaiti women. Travels to Bahrain to meet with King Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa.
Jan. 13
_Visits the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, based in Bahrain. Travels to the United Arab Emirates to meet with the president, Sheik Khalifa bin Zayed al-Nahyan, and gives a speech in Abu Dhabi on freedom in the region.
Jan. 14
_Visits Dubai and then travels to Saudi Arabia to meet with King Abdullah.
Jan. 15
_In Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, for meetings.
Jan. 16
_In Sharm el-Sheik, Egypt, to meet with President Hosni Mubarak before returning to Washington.

[ohanian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]W Bengal bird flu 'is spreading'
Officials in the Indian state of West Bengal say that the bird flu epidemic has spread to two more of the state's 19 districts, taking the total to nine.
They say that the spread of the H5N1 virus means that even more chicken and duck will have to be killed than was originally estimated.
On Monday officials said that around 2m birds would need to be culled - a figure that will now rise. …

[ohanian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]India admits falling behind in bird flu battle Jan 22, 2008
MARGRAM, India (AFP) — India's West Bengal admitted it was falling behind in its battle against bird flu as the virus spread to more than half the densely populated state.
Despite reinforcements from neighbouring states, at least 1,000 more vets and doctors were needed to help fight the poultry virus outbreak that began over a week ago, state animal resources minister Anisur Rahaman said.
"We don't have the infrastructure to battle this epidemic. Bird flu is spreading to new areas. Thousands of chickens are dropping dead every day," he told AFP. …

[Flowerr]

Start worrying when your local paper says BIRDFLU,STAY HOME.

Until then you are just wasting your time worrying about it.