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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby NEOPO » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 10:34:52

I think some people are closed minded idiots.

Imagine the thought that there is some truth in all religion yet so many SMART people just trash the whole thing because of how the participants of religion may conduct themselves.

If the goal was to degrade all religion regardless of elements of truth then again mission accomplished.

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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 10:38:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('waegari', 'I') just might, but honestly speaking, there's so much I have to spend my time on, amongst which several book recommendations of quite a different nature as well, that I cannot promise you I will do so soon. Thanks for the tip, anyway.


It's cool, whenever you're ready for it, it's there. As something to keep in mind, it is a powerful perspective, very few understand both Peak Oil and the Banking Cartel, even on this site. They are both huge problems which directly tie in. It's impossible to have the big picture without a true awareness of both.
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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 10:41:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')Mmasters - thanks as I was unaware of Fiat Empire.

It's another goodie!
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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby MattSavinar » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 12:15:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('waegari', 'I') found an interesting story from Wired about Katherine Albrecht, who's the one in the movie with the spy implant story.

It's here.

It turns out that she's a Born Again Christian, who takes such possibility for the Mark of the Beast. So actually, she's probably quite happy about it, as it betokens the Second Coming.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lbrecht is already reaching at least a few of her fellow Christians, through videos produced by Endtime Ministries, that link RFID to the Book of Revelation.

"The Mark of the Beast, 666: a prophesy from 2000 years ago," says Albrecht, at the beginning of her video, On the Brink of the Mark, produced two years ago. "How many people (know that) technological developments of the last 10 to 20 years could be combining to make the Mark of the Beast a reality, and possibly even in our lifetimes?"


I don't like film makers who join ranks with the right wing lunatic fringe.


What's the one thing you CAN'T buy or sell without using these days? It's petroleum or petrodollars!

Why these people never consider petroleum or petrodollars being the mark of the beast is beyond me. Oh wait . . . then they'd have to give up all the fossil fuel goodies. Now I understand.
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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby MattSavinar » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 12:36:28

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Matt- If congress had control of the money which must be precious metals AND if corporations were not deemed actual people with limited liabilities by the supreme court, then congress would be 99 percent less corrupt. therefor they would do a good job controlling the money.



You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Constitution. The founding fathers set it up so things would be corrupt in favor of the elite. That's why they made sure freedom of speech was in there. So the rich could corrupt the political process by buying more speech than the rabble. (the rabble = people like us)

I posit that the amount of corruption is correlated to the size of the system which is correlated to how much energy is available to run the system. This is the big secret folks like Aaron Russo can't come to understand because it means the only solution is to disconnect yourself from the system and live like they do over at http://www.farmlet.co.nz

But the people buying the films, for the most part, DON'T want to give up the fruits of the corrupt culture. So films like FTF will always conclude with somehting along the lines of "we just need tomake some change at the top and you will be able to make your mortgage and car payments and gas will be $1 a gallon again."
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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 12:39:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') know a little about the 'federal reserve'. It is not 'federal' and it has no 'reserve'. I understand fiat money is created out of debt and comes with an oppressive inflation burden. I understand this stuff.

What I don't understand is the obsession with gold? There can be no "real" substitute for fiat money because nothing is more real than anything else.

except petroleum the ultimate reserve in this industrial world. Let's just switch to PetroDollars or PetroDinars or PetroLira. yes?

Oh yeah, once peak oil hits hard I think people may talk about energy based money though it'll probably never happen. The deal with gold is all fiat currencies are doomed and when they go belly up gold and silver become an interim currency (historically anyhow). That is until a new fiat is introduced. I think many unwisely hope that when the fiat goes bye bye this time gold will take over for good, and it's possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. The other benefit with gold is because the physical supply is relatively fixed it's an inflation proof store of wealth when used physically.

In the end anything is better than fiat for society as a whole. Physical gold may be best because it's fixed. Electronic gold is just asking to become a fiat in disguise. And I can only imagine with an energy based currency "upping reserves" (or generating more paper barrels) would be an effective substitution for the printing press.
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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby MattSavinar » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 12:45:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '
')I think many unwisely hope that when the fiat goes bye bye this time gold will take over for good, and it's possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. The other benefit with gold is because the physical supply is relatively fixed it's an inflation proof store of wealth when used physically.

In the end anything is better than fiat for society as a whole. Physical gold may be best because it's fixed.



but if you have a growing population you now have a problem: inflation.

Alternatively people will try to take gold/silver via force and warfare as Colombus did.

To be clear: I'm not saying fiat currency is the way to go. Just that we're pretty much screwed either way.
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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby NugBlazer » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 12:54:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', 'h')ttp://www.freedomtofascism.com/

I saw this movie recently and thought it did a very good job of blowing the doors off of the whole Federal Reserve debacle.

I truly think that the issue of the Federal Reserve is as important as Peak Oil or Global Warming. In fact, it may be even more important than either of those.

The Federal Reserve is one of the worst things ever to happen to America! This film will conclusively show you why.


You're right but what's the alternative? Giving Congress the power to control the money supply?


Yes! At least if Congress controlled the money supply, as they did from 1776 to 1913 before the Federal Reserve was created, THEN CONGRESS WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY INTEREST ON THE MONEY CREATED AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY INCOME TAXES TO NEGATE THAT INTEREST. Don't you see?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('waegari', 'I') don't see how it can be unconstitutional to impose income tax to pay off the national debt. I think it's highly sensationalist to state anything to the contrary in a trailer.


Well, THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO WATCH THE FILM, ISN'T IT? It is unconstitutional because:

1. The 16th Amendment -- the one that instituted income taxes -- was NEVER RATIFIED.

2. The Supreme Court has said, ELEVEN times no less, that the 16th Amendment does NOT give ANY new powers of taxation to the government.

3. Income taxes are UNAPPORTIONED. The Constitution SPECIFICALLY says that all direct taxes (which income takes are) must be APPORTIONED.

4. THERE IS NO LAW saying that you are required to file income taxes. That's right: NO law exists. I dare you to research and try to find it. It's simply not there.

5. Even if Income taxes were legal, they DO NOT GO TOWARDS THE NATIONAL DEBT. That is a total myth. All income taxes pay for is the INTEREST that we are forced to pay the privately-owned Federal Reserve for the priveledge of printing our OWN DAMN MONEY. The very same money that, before 1913, Congress used to print for itself, thereby requiring them to pay interest to NO ONE. And, in turn, there were NO INCOME TAXES!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('waegari', 'S')till, I might watch it, if I can find time.
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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 13:27:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '
')I think many unwisely hope that when the fiat goes bye bye this time gold will take over for good, and it's possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. The other benefit with gold is because the physical supply is relatively fixed it's an inflation proof store of wealth when used physically.

In the end anything is better than fiat for society as a whole. Physical gold may be best because it's fixed.



but if you have a growing population you now have a problem: inflation.

Alternatively people will try to take gold/silver via force and warfare as Colombus did.

To be clear: I'm not saying fiat currency is the way to go. Just that we're pretty much screwed either way.

I agree there's no simple solution but I would rather have a currency that benefits the poplution as a whole intead of the current version which only benefits a few. Or better yet a currency that doesn't benefit anybody particularly. Think of all the things that go with this debt based system: inflationary deception, taxation, encouragement for war, a drive for collectivism towards the whole and elitist imperialism towards the few. It's a raw deal.
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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby waegari » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 13:46:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', '
')Well, THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO WATCH THE FILM, ISN'T IT?



Another problem is: I'm not an American.

When it come to the threat of fascism, I have other (Dutch) things to worry about. Over here Chavez lovers who do not seem to have any qualms about Chavez' increasingly bad human rights record, have recently taken parliament by storm, for instance (25 out of 15 seats). While on the other side of the political spectrum we have a bunch of rightwing red necks, who seem to attract an ever increasing number of voters.

That's the sort of visible fascist tendencies that I have to be concerned about. Especially so, because being PO aware, I know that such Weimar Republic kind of political split might lead to a very unpleasant situation, as soon as PO really takes off.

Over here in continental Europe we all sorts of fascist tendencies in our parliaments, often focused on immigrants, so I tend to shrug my shoulders when some American movie maker comes round, using the f-word quite carelessly. I hope you can appreciate that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', ' ')It is unconstitutional because:

1. The 16th Amendment -- the one that instituted income taxes -- was NEVER RATIFIED.

2. The Supreme Court has said, ELEVEN times no less, that the 16th Amendment does NOT give ANY new powers of taxation to the government.

3. Income taxes are UNAPPORTIONED. The Constitution SPECIFICALLY says that all direct taxes (which income takes are) must be APPORTIONED.

4. THERE IS NO LAW saying that you are required to file income taxes. That's right: NO law exists. I dare you to research and try to find it. It's simply not there.


Well, in that case I dare you to simply stop paying income taxes. And all other American citizens. Make it a federal court case.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', '
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5. Even if Income taxes were legal, they DO NOT GO TOWARDS THE NATIONAL DEBT. That is a total myth.


You would never hear me say they would. I'm sure they won't. The situation is only getting worse.

However, as I said, I just do not like Mr. Russo's rhetorics.

It reminds me a little too much of this one fat guy who first booed away Al Gore as no better than GWB, endorsed Nader, only to some years later open his 911 movie with a long song of praise to a certain Al Gore, who according to him would have made a much better president and who would not have gone to war, and thereby would not have left you guys with this ever increasing national debt of astronomic proportions. But had this very same Mr. Moore not endorsed Nader, who knows, maybe it would have just been enough for those 500+ votes Gore needed in Florida. So, in all, ever since Fahrenheit 911 I'm just not very much a fan of this kind of political documentaries.

Anyway, first I gotta go and see David Lynch's latest movie! Not that this got anything to do with....
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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 13:56:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', 'h')ttp://www.freedomtofascism.com/

I saw this movie recently and thought it did a very good job of blowing the doors off of the whole Federal Reserve debacle.

I truly think that the issue of the Federal Reserve is as important as Peak Oil or Global Warming. In fact, it may be even more important than either of those.

The Federal Reserve is one of the worst things ever to happen to America! This film will conclusively show you why.


You're right but what's the alternative? Giving Congress the power to control the money supply?


Yes! At least if Congress controlled the money supply, as they did from 1776 to 1913 before the Federal Reserve was created, THEN CONGRESS WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY INTEREST ON THE MONEY CREATED AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY INCOME TAXES TO NEGATE THAT INTEREST. Don't you see?


Not exactly true, there were 3 attempted central banks before the fed. Also the congress has never had a lot of control over the money supply. The problem goes deeper than the fed itself. Fed or no fed, fractional reserve banks have had a long and dominate stake in control the money supply throughout US history. The fed is a government sanctioned cartel institution for the fractional reserve banks.

So fractional reserve banks = PROBLEM
Government sactioned fractional reserve bank cartel (i.e. the FED) = BIG PROBLEM
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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby NugBlazer » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 20:59:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('waegari', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', '
')Well, THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO WATCH THE FILM, ISN'T IT?



Another problem is: I'm not an American.

When it come to the threat of fascism, I have other (Dutch) things to worry about. Over here Chavez lovers who do not seem to have any qualms about Chavez' increasingly bad human rights record, have recently taken parliament by storm, for instance (25 out of 15 seats). While on the other side of the political spectrum we have a bunch of rightwing red necks, who seem to attract an ever increasing number of voters.

That's the sort of visible fascist tendencies that I have to be concerned about. Especially so, because being PO aware, I know that such Weimar Republic kind of political split might lead to a very unpleasant situation, as soon as PO really takes off.

Over here in continental Europe we all sorts of fascist tendencies in our parliaments, often focused on immigrants, so I tend to shrug my shoulders when some American movie maker comes round, using the f-word quite carelessly. I hope you can appreciate that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', ' ')It is unconstitutional because:

1. The 16th Amendment -- the one that instituted income taxes -- was NEVER RATIFIED.

2. The Supreme Court has said, ELEVEN times no less, that the 16th Amendment does NOT give ANY new powers of taxation to the government.

3. Income taxes are UNAPPORTIONED. The Constitution SPECIFICALLY says that all direct taxes (which income takes are) must be APPORTIONED.

4. THERE IS NO LAW saying that you are required to file income taxes. That's right: NO law exists. I dare you to research and try to find it. It's simply not there.


Well, in that case I dare you to simply stop paying income taxes. And all other American citizens. Make it a federal court case.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', '
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5. Even if Income taxes were legal, they DO NOT GO TOWARDS THE NATIONAL DEBT. That is a total myth.


You would never hear me say they would. I'm sure they won't. The situation is only getting worse.

However, as I said, I just do not like Mr. Russo's rhetorics.

It reminds me a little too much of this one fat guy who first booed away Al Gore as no better than GWB, endorsed Nader, only to some years later open his 911 movie with a long song of praise to a certain Al Gore, who according to him would have made a much better president and who would not have gone to war, and thereby would not have left you guys with this ever increasing national debt of astronomic proportions. But had this very same Mr. Moore not endorsed Nader, who knows, maybe it would have just been enough for those 500+ votes Gore needed in Florida. So, in all, ever since Fahrenheit 911 I'm just not very much a fan of this kind of political documentaries.

Anyway, first I gotta go and see David Lynch's latest movie! Not that this got anything to do with....


Well, I understand that the Federal Reserve issue wouldn't much concern you if you're not an American. But I think it SHOULD concern you -- because the Federal Reserve is a big step on the way to one world government.

As for the rest of your post, frankly, I don't see the point you're trying to make. You lost me, partner.

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I saw this movie recently and thought it did a very good job of blowing the doors off of the whole Federal Reserve debacle.

I truly think that the issue of the Federal Reserve is as important as Peak Oil or Global Warming. In fact, it may be even more important than either of those.

The Federal Reserve is one of the worst things ever to happen to America! This film will conclusively show you why.

You're right but what's the alternative? Giving Congress the power to control the money supply?


Yes! At least if Congress controlled the money supply, as they did from 1776 to 1913 before the Federal Reserve was created, THEN CONGRESS WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY INTEREST ON THE MONEY CREATED AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY INCOME TAXES TO NEGATE THAT INTEREST. Don't you see?

Not exactly true, there were 3 attempted central banks before the fed. Also the congress has never had a lot of control over the money supply. The problem goes deeper than the fed itself. Fed or no fed, fractional reserve banks have had a long and dominate stake in control the money supply throughout US history. The fed is a government sanctioned cartel institution for the fractional reserve banks.

So fractional reserve banks = PROBLEM
Government sactioned fractional reserve bank cartel (i.e. the FED) = BIG PROBLEM

Yes, there were 3 attempted central banks before the Fed, but none of them succeeded like the Fed. The Fed is the BIG PROBLEM as you state.
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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby Micki » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 21:32:37

The point of gold/silver is not just the fact that it has 5000 year history as store of wealth.

A gold (or silver standard) currency means that the government needs to have the gold in store before it prints the paper money (gold backed).

That means spending needs to be backed first by saving or taxes rather than just money printing.

This leads to slower growth, which to a large degree removes boom-bust cycles.
Nations having to save money are also less likely to squander it on wars so the world would be more peaceful.



Regarding the implants; it won't happen overnight.
First you get acceptance for national id cards and prevent people from traveling anywhere without them.
You justify this through scare tactics like war on terror.

Secondly, like the frog that is slowly boiled will stay in the pot until it dies, you incerementally introduce voluntary steps to further tighten control. i.e. make id cards wireless with payment functionality for convenience etc.
Introduce implants with transmittor to people who are afraid of kidnapping/abduction (i.e. business travelers) etc.

There are people already voluntering.
The message will also be sold as "why would you object if you have nothing to hide.".

You are not going to get the message reading mainstream media.
Dig a bit deeper and you will see the signs all pointing in the same direction - NWO & serfdom.
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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

Unread postby max_power29 » Thu 12 Apr 2007, 05:04:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', '
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Matt- If congress had control of the money which must be precious metals AND if corporations were not deemed actual people with limited liabilities by the supreme court, then congress would be 99 percent less corrupt. therefor they would do a good job controlling the money.



You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Constitution. The founding fathers set it up so things would be corrupt in favor of the elite. That's why they made sure freedom of speech was in there. So the rich could corrupt the political process by buying more speech than the rabble. (the rabble = people like us)

I posit that the amount of corruption is correlated to the size of the system which is correlated to how much energy is available to run the system. This is the big secret folks like Aaron Russo can't come to understand because it means the only solution is to disconnect yourself from the system and live like they do over at http://www.farmlet.co.nz

But the people buying the films, for the most part, DON'T want to give up the fruits of the corrupt culture. So films like FTF will always conclude with somehting along the lines of "we just need tomake some change at the top and you will be able to make your mortgage and car payments and gas will be $1 a gallon again."


Who cares!? The government would STILL be 99 percent less corrupt. That sounds great to me. The world can't be perfect as long as we can't get around the second law of thermodynamics anyways.

...and how much of the american mainstream media was bought up by the NWO for pennies on the dollar during the (Federal reserve engineered) great depression?
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Re: Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism"

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '
')but if you have a growing population you now have a problem: inflation.


Actually iincreasing population would tend to be deflationary. The gold/silver dollars would become worth even more.

Conversely, a shrinking population would be tend to be inflationary
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Movie: "America: From Freedom to Fascism" from Aaron Russo

Unread postby Eli » Mon 19 Nov 2007, 14:50:42

I think this is a movie everyone should see. It really is an eyeopener especially now with what is going on with the economy: America From Freedom to Fascism
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Freedom to Fascism...a must see.

Unread postby Delphis » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 16:53:07

Aaron Russo's documentary "Freedom to Fascism"

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=f ... eedom+to+#

This brings even more questions to mind in light of the events since this video was made, great refresher if you haven't seen it. Cheers!
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