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Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 24 Jun 2006, 22:37:24

greenworm,

Sometimes you have to co-opt the media's(TPTB's) terminology to have any discussion at all with people who confuse public relations as current events. Example you can't just go up to a normal person and tell them the government blew up the trade towers when you're talking 9/11, first you have to use their word, terrorists, then go about explaining how the terrorists demolished the towers then maybe over time reveal who the terrorists were up until you can eventually after logical progressions start saying the government. Sounds childish I know but the way we all view the world is very religious and fragile, coupled with the fact most americans' mythologies are formed by television, there's not much reality in the collective consciousness let alone this forum evidenced by the cornucopians and people like rwwff who can't fathom there are more unhealthy slaves today than ever before in history.
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Unread postby shortonoil » Sat 24 Jun 2006, 22:54:25

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rivate may be overstating reality


Priviate is what it is. Its principal stockholders are:


1. Warburgs (German)
2. Soros (Italy)
3. Rothchilds
4. Rockerfellers
5. about 5 other mega rich families around the world

Its only connection with the US government is a charter issued to it 1913 and 90 tons of gold that was lent to it by the Treasury Dept. to back up the currency it issued. It is the third central bank in US history, the previous two were both called the Bank of the United States and they both went broke. One in the 1870’s and the other in the 1890’s. The 90 tons of gold has not been audited in forty years and is suspected to have disappeared into someone’s personal vault. Some analysis project that the FED will soon reach “cross over”- the time when it can not create enough money to service the country’s present $43 trillion bond issuance, and become insolvent. They project that this could happen in as little as two years. At that point your currency, which is really a zero interest barring promissory note, will no longer be redeemable because the private bank that issued those notes would no longer be in business. If and when that occurs the Treasury Dept. will not be in any position to stop the failure or to redeem your lost funds.
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Unread postby rwwff » Sat 24 Jun 2006, 23:22:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]rwwff said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rivate may be overstating reality


Priviate is what it is. I


True enough, but it gives a misleading impression. Half way suggesting that this private entity hasconstitutional authority to veto congression legislation concerning the money supply. Which they do not. In the end, they opperate completely at the whim of the government. But, as long as they continue to do their jobs as well as they have been; their future operation is not in jeopardy.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')hen that occurs the Treasury Dept. will not be in any position to stop the failure or to redeem your lost funds.


But when that happens, clear title assets such as my land, gold, and silver, become immensely valuable.
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Unread postby mmasters » Sat 24 Jun 2006, 23:58:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '
')True enough, but it gives a misleading impression. Half way suggesting that this private entity hasconstitutional authority to veto congression legislation concerning the money supply. Which they do not. In the end, they opperate completely at the whim of the government.

Do you really think the elites are serving the politicians?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut, as long as they continue to do their jobs as well as they have been; their future operation is not in jeopardy.

Don't share the sentiment on the job well done but ever think about peak oil jeopardizing the operation of our monetary system? How maybe there is an incentive to abuse it before the game is over...
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Unread postby rwwff » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 00:12:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'D')o you really think the elites are serving the politicians?
I don't recall using the word serve.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut, as long as they continue to do their jobs as well as they have been; their future operation is not in jeopardy.

Done a great job eh? Ever think about peak oil jeopardizing the operation of our monetary system? How maybe there is an incentive to abuse it before the game is over...


I am very pleased with the job they have done so far, and I am satisfied that they have at least layed out the field in a way that serves American interests first.

On a more important note, I just pulled the apple pie out of the oven and it smells incredible. I used some quite tart,very large granny smith's for it. No telling where they came from; they sure as heck don't grow around here. On Sashimi and Sushi, we get freshly caught snapper down here that makes the most beautiful sashimi.
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Re: Could be BIG! America: From Freedom to Fascism, coming s

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 00:20:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '
')But when that happens, clear title assets such as my land, gold, and silver, become immensely valuable.


Who's gonna recognize land ownership papers when american currency fails? Or are you building a fortress with 20 foot walls in preparation?


Walled fortresses are bait, not defense. But it seems once again, a thread, when pushed on, devolves into The Attack of the Zombie Horde. Frankly, I remain very unimpressed by all of the physically possible Zombie Horde scenarios. If I eventually come up with one that poses even a tiny risk, I'll become a bit more concerned.

Oh, and land ownership in Texas has been through numerous changes in currency, and titles have remained quite thoroughly recognized. On that score, I am completely unconcerned.
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Re: Could be BIG! America: From Freedom to Fascism, coming s

Unread postby MattSavinar » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 00:30:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'T')his thing wouldn't be a threat to the people in high places even if it played in every theatre in the land. Movies no longer have the power to disrupt political realitties. They no longer convince the uninterested. Instead, they preach to the choir, and the choir shows up in droves, often watching the movie several times, making a bit of change for the producers...

The best you can hope for is some non choir members showing up for the film, with 95% of them leaving in a humorous mood, ready to lump these people in with the "black helicopter" and "UN invasion" folks. Then maybe later, that lingering 5% might have some event occur in their lives where they need to blame someone else, and so, in this instance, they'll blame the central bankers, and say, "see, that movie was right."


Yeah, you really hit the nail on the head here.

I have not seen the film but from the reviews of those who have, it seems I would agree with the film 100%.

In the end what will happen is exactly as you describe: the choir will yell and yell and yell about how "this film is going to make HUGE impact!!!!!" and folks will all kick in money because naturally being humans we all want to be part of "something really big!!!" but ini the end it will not make an ounce of difference in the big picture.

Having said that, I wish the producers the best and I will likely see the film once it comes to my area. But I'm already in the choir and people like me showing up is not going to make bupkis worth of diffeerence.

I also hope this Aaron Russo guy makes a lot of $$$ cause I suspect the IRS has already targeted him for a full anal cavity audit.

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Re: Could be BIG! America: From Freedom to Fascism, coming s

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 00:31:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '
')Walled fortresses are bait, not defense. But it seems once again, a thread, when pushed on, devolves into The Attack of the Zombie Horde. Frankly, I remain very unimpressed by all of the physically possible Zombie Horde scenarios. If I eventually come up with one that poses even a tiny risk, I'll become a bit more concerned.


Don't worry about the people. Oh right, the government serves the people never would they take your land away.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '
')Oh, and land ownership in Texas has been through numerous changes in currency, and titles have remained quite thoroughly recognized. On that score, I am completely unconcerned.


Didn't know the Federal Reserve note had so much competition! You're really giving survivalist doomers a bad rep here, maybe Specop can give you pointers on defence?
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Re: Could be BIG! America: From Freedom to Fascism, coming s

Unread postby MattSavinar » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 00:37:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'A')nd every professional I've talked to in real life had no idea the fed was a private bank. Where is this choir you're referring to?


Private may be overstating reality a bit; but the whole point of the thing is to make it harder for politicians to inflate the currency underhandedly. They still do, and always will, have final authority to change anything they want about the currency, but they have to go through a public bloodbath to do it.

So, to answer the question, the choir is the group of general conspiracy buffs, Bush haters, passionate antiglobalists, environmentalists, and even the stray remaining socialist or two. This set of folks would believe and go watch just about anything that is critical of the current government. Should be enough to make a buck or three for the producers of the film.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f this gets around like Al Gore's movie, then it will definitley be educating newbies on the subject.
I think Gore's movie is educating some people; but most of the folks going to see it already believe global warming is an accurate model of things to come.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'e')conomic slaves

I'm having a hard time reconciling the concept of slavery with the spread on tonights supper table, in my humble middle class home. If this is what slavery is like, what the heck am I supposed to call it after the crash and I feel lucky to have mashed corn and a fish I had to catch mysefl, freedom?

Hot is cold, cold is hot, hot is cold, cold is hot.

Nope, didn't work. Slavery is supposed to suck eggs. Either this isn't slavery, or yall have a peculiar notion of what slavery entailed.


What you're missing is that you're one of the top house slaves in the world. For every person like you and me (I have a similar spread in my middle class apartment) there are 100 people slaving away in some sweat shop who come home to a bowl of rice and a cold floor.

Thank back to the plantation days. If you were a house slave who got to eat the same food as the master because you kept his books for him, you're going to have a different view of things than the field slaves getting whipped to death or raped by overseers.

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Re: Could be BIG! America: From Freedom to Fascism, coming s

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 00:49:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'D')on't worry about the people. Oh right, the government serves the people never would they take your land away.


Honestly, no, I don't think they have any interest in that regard, in fact, I think a more likely scenario would be selling off the remaining national forest and blm land, at auction, with bids being accepted in gold or silver.

I could see addtional levies of some sort, though again, I doubt they'll be federal; more likely some state or county machination, that then is fed up to the national organizational level.

In general, the world has had plenty of experience of how disastrous it is to pull farmers off of their lands and give those to someone else who has no clue how to grow food. I see no reason that the US government would go that route.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '
')Oh, and land ownership in Texas has been through numerous changes in currency, and titles have remained quite thoroughly recognized. On that score, I am completely unconcerned.


Didn't know the Federal Reserve note had so much competition! You're really giving survivalist doomers a bad rep here, maybe Specop can give you pointers on defence?


Texas land titles originate primarily with the Mexican land grants, then under the Republic of Texas, then under the US Government, then under the Confederacy, then back under the US Government. All with their own currencies. I don't know where national organization will go in the future, but I am supremely confident Texas will remain Texas for a very long time to come.
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Re: Could be BIG! America: From Freedom to Fascism, coming s

Unread postby shortonoil » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 01:02:01

rwwff said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut, as long as they continue to do their jobs as well as they have been; their future operation is not in jeopardy.


Devaluating our currency by 97% could be considered doing their job well; if you don’t take into consideration who they are doing it for!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')rue enough, but it gives a misleading impression. Half way suggesting that this private entity has constitutional authority to veto congression legislation concerning the money supply. Which they do not. In the end, they opperate completely at the whim of the government.


To which particular congressional legislation concerning the money supply are you referring? The only congressional legislation concerning the money supply, that I am aware of, is in regard to the national debt - that is the Treasury Dept. which has nothing to do with the policies of the FED. Setting the FED funds rate is completely the prerogative of the FED Board of Governors. The sale and purchase of US Bonds, that control the money supply, is also completely determined from within the FED. Congress doesn’t have one iota of influence on the FED’s monetary policy; which is probably a good thing, since most of Congress can’t even balance their own checking accounts - if they could the Congressional Bank wouldn’t have to cover their bounced checks for them on a regular basis. Isn’t it reassuring to know that these are the same morons that direct the country’s financial future!

Outside of the FED Chairman delivering some FED speek to Congress a couple of times a year, the FED works completely autonomous to the rest of the Government! The FED is just another corporation that is running America. Considering how badly our Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches have been run recently, maybe we don’t have any other choice? Maybe the rise of American corporate political power is as much out of necessity as it is desire on their part.
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Re: Could be BIG! America: From Freedom to Fascism, coming s

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 01:11:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '
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Congress doesn’t have one iota of influence on the FED’s monetary policy; which is probably a good thing, since most of Congress can’t even balance their own checking accounts - if they could the Congressional Bank wouldn’t have to cover their bounced checks for them on a regular basis.

Maybe the rise of American corporate political power is as much out of necessity as it is desire on their part.


If congress exercised their constitutional right to create money they wouldn't have to borrow it from the Feds at interest. Does that not make sense? :cry:

Or were you joking?
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Re: Could be BIG! America: From Freedom to Fascism, coming s

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 01:14:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', 'T')o which particular congressional legislation concerning the money supply are you referring?


Its a simple constitutional principle that people often try to ignore. If you have law A passed in 1980, and law B passed in 1990. If some portion of A is contradicted by B, even if the contradiction was not intentional, law B superceeds law A.

In our context here, the establishment of the Fed as the money supply managers of the US is an act of congress. Any willing congress can undo the Fed (with likely disastrous consequences) with just a few taps on the keyboard and a bit of ink from a pen.

The FED controls the money supply because they are so authorized by existing legislation. There is nothing the FED could do to prevent enactment of legislation stripping them of that authorization.

But let me state again, undoing the FED would be enormously stupid.
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Re: Could be BIG! America: From Freedom to Fascism, coming s

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 01:18:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]rwwff said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut, as long as they continue to do their jobs as well as they have been; their future operation is not in jeopardy.
Devaluating our currency by 97% could be considered doing their job well; if you don’t take into consideration who they are doing it for!


I don't much care who they do it for. It serves my interests. Therefore I am pleased that they have managed to do such a difficult task without disrupting the economy.
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Unread postby shortonoil » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 10:29:06

rwwff said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't much care who they do it for. It serves my interests.


It serves your interest to have your money devaluated to a worthless piece of paper??????

Well - I’m glad to meet you mister Rothchild!
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Re: Could be BIG! America: From Freedom to Fascism, coming s

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 11:54:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]rwwff said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't much care who they do it for. It serves my interests.


It serves your interest to have your money devaluated to a worthless piece of paper??????

Well - I’m glad to meet you mister Rothchild!


For those, who live on debt it may be attractive proposition.

Look on this hefty $1.5 million fixed rate mortgage.

Going, going, gone!!!
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Re: Could be BIG! America: From Freedom to Fascism, coming s

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 14:24:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '
')It serves your interest to have your money devaluated to a worthless piece of paper??????


For those, who live on debt it may be attractive proposition.
Look on this hefty $1.5 million fixed rate mortgage.


Living on debt is not a good idea, have a good mix of debt and assets with actual economic value, protects you from all sorts of things; though it is a good idea to have clear title on some of them.
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Re: Could be BIG! America: From Freedom to Fascism, coming s

Unread postby grabby » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 14:27:07

Lotsa conspiracies. It don't matter any more.
Except it makes for good conversation. Power is everything and money is power, but they forgot that gasoline is power

without gasoline there is no government at all.

Makes no difference, the problem is all the conspiracies will be removed by peak oil. This is one thing that is bigger than anyone.
There is no answer to this one and it is going to hit hard and sudden, and it won't matter who is in charge, they will become moot. Megatons trump Kruchev's slamming shoes on the table. Show means nothing, reality wins.
before oil there was government, but not with 300 million people. the feeding frenzy will not be controllable.
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Unread postby jupiters_release » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 14:34:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', 'L')otsa conspiracies. It don't matter any more.
Except it makes for good conversation. Power is everything and money is power, but they forgot that gasoline is power

without gasoline there is no government at all.

Makes no difference, the problem is all the conspiracies will be removed by peak oil. This is one thing that is bigger than anyone.
There is no answer to this one and it is going to hit hard and sudden, and it won't matter who is in charge, they will become moot. Megatons trump Kruchev's slamming shoes on the table. Show means nothing, reality wins.


Keep dreaming grabby, there's plenty of oil left for TPTB to implement mitigation to their liking. One thing TPTB don't get enough of is credit, oh right they're incompetent. :lol:
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Re: Could be BIG! America: From Freedom to Fascism, coming s

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 25 Jun 2006, 15:44:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', 'w')ithout gasoline there is no government at all.


There was government and guns before there was gasoline, and there will be government and guns long after the last drop of gasoline has been shipped.
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