[Ayame]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '[')stream]http://www.peakoil.com/sample/apoc3.wav [/stream]

[CrudeAwakening]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', '
')If they successfully rationed bacon, rubber, and stopped making cars in WWII, do you think it matters what those 3 billion aspiring First Worlders want?

[KingM]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CrudeAwakening', '
')Given that the price of oil is set on world markets, I'd say the aspirations of those 3 billion people have a dramatic influence on the world's energy future.

[Twilight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', 'I')f they successfully rationed bacon, rubber, and stopped making cars in WWII, do you think it matters what those 3 billion aspiring First Worlders want?

[KingM]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '
')When four out of six inhabited continents are priced out of possessing a functioning economy at a time of record overpopulation, it won't matter what resources are available. There are too many people for those resources to support. The resources available are enough to give everyone on Earth the quality of life of someone average in present-day India. Continued prosperity in the West would depend on maintaining resource inflows into North America and Europe while ensuring rapidly declining consumption everywhere else.

[Twilight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', 'Y')ou don't understand the way the world works. Ireland was a net food exporter during the potato famine. The resources will keep flowing into the First World long after people are starving in the Third.

[CrudeAwakening]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', '
')
Exactly. I guarantee I can afford more gasoline than the average taxi driver in Guatemala City or Manila. Americans, Europeans, and Japanese will still have cars long after they stop selling the things in Kenya.

[Uninspired123]

look this is my dirty little secret...

but sometimes when no one's home I enjoy seperating m&m's into color groups and pretending they're little villages of people with their own economic and social problems, and then I try to fix them through free trade agreements and other diplomatic measures.
(no crazy)

[thuja]

No as KingM says- there is no problem- we have abundant resources- we'll be fine for ages. IN fact we're doing great right now. Oh- but don't talk about the folks dealing with resource wars and scarcity issues in places like

Iraq, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Ghana, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Ukraine, North Korea, Indonesia, large parts of China and India, etc etc.

Nothing to see there folks...Move along...just pay attention to the white folks...

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'N')ow what Is that suppose to mean Ludi?

I do not want to give the masses an excuse.
"See they are tree huggers with an agenda".
Surely they will find excuses anyways but giving it to them....

Like I said, many of us may be greens yet that is not the primary reason we are here spending time attempting to educate...is it?

[128shot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'D')o we have anyone thats actually been here for years that is still an optimist? Most of them eventually read enough to realize we're screwed and then can put the pieces together to see just how screwed we are.

Optimists are just doomers that haven't figured it out yet.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cultural_sublimation', ' ')Anyway, I would just like to share with you some positive news related to peak oil. First, this week and for the first time, wind turbines were the number one source of power in Spain, providing 27% of power to the grid. Wow. This is not a tiny country with 10 people and a goat. We're talking about an industrialised european nation with 44 million people. Second, Spain's neighbour Portugal has realistic goals of having 45% of all its power come from renewable sources in just three years time.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Coolman', ' ')the human population will probably be much lower in 2100.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ')What I mean is, Monte has been discussing for YEARS how the only appropriate response to peak oil is to powerdown and devise a new way of life based on the Earth's life systems.

Anyway, that's what I meant, that I agree with Monte's "agenda" as I understand it. If I'm wrong, he can correct me.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')What I mean is, Monte has been discussing for YEARS how the only appropriate response to peak oil is to powerdown and devise a new way of life based on the Earth's life systems... As far as I can tell, the only reasonable response is to realise our way of life is going extinct and we must find another way, a way that works.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', 'T')here are far, FAR more available resources than the doomers around here realize. We could reduce 90% of consumer energy consumption and still not reach the austerity of the average Depression era American.

[NEOPO]

<is trying to pay attention to the white folks>

What? my "wether to agenda or not to agenda" gets no direct response?

Please honor me with your thoughts on this as I have never really picked up on any particular bias or agenda of yours at least not while you were delivering the PO message and perhaps that is why the message was so effective.

I didnt get here until my born on date so maybe thats why I didnt catch on?

Anyways what do you think about that?
Open agendas are okay or no?

I am a bit torn really as I feel so much ties into peak oil its amazing so if we were to really be open about our motivations then I would think we could easily have multiple agendas as many of us do.

Heck should we even use the term agenda? as this world has had its way with it much like the term conspiracy.
Not the beginning of an argument - just very curious.
Now watch him whop out a link to a 100 page thread that he started back in 1999 all about how to most effectively deliver the PO message!
You know thats funny!! and funnier still if he actually does it so its a win win kids!

[Newsseeker]

Confucius say, "Massive amounts of alcohol consumed within a short period of time make future bright." It is best to do this at a friend's house so 1) you don't get cut off by the bar tender and then get depressed about the future again and 2) your friend has to clean up. When he or she is done get the cans if they can be recycled so the next time you have to do this to put a smiley face on world events it doesn't cost you as much.

I started out as a cornucopian but became a doomer when confronted with the reality of the situation. I am 29 and I know that when I am 39 this debate will no longer be taking place and it will be a miracle if I have a job and my own place. Once the 3% decline (this is rosy) starts many people are going to hurt.

[abelardlindsay]

The reason I'm optimistic for the U.S -- at least compared to the rest of the world:

1. We're the third largest oil producer.
2. We have more coal than any other country.
3. If we were as energy efficient as Europe we'd be exporting oil.
4. We have lots of weapons with which to execute the neo-con last man standing scenario (as we are doing in Iraq).
5. Canadians with tar sands.

If I put on my tinfoil hat for a moment -- and assume everything Aaron Russo and Mike Ruppert have said is true -- peak oil is being ignored and ethanol is being pushed in order to purposefully cause a widespread famine to reduce the earth's population drastically, primarily outside the United States.

[malcomatic_51]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abelardlindsay', '.')....peak oil is being ignored and ethanol is being pushed in order to purposefully cause a widespread famine to reduce the earth's population drastically, primarily outside the United States.