[erl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')PBA is a right wing fantasy.

[threadbear]

Or at least give the third trimester tenant the same kinds of rights that renters get under landlord tenant agreements?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')PBA is a right wing fantasy.

[RonMN]

Crudeawakening Worte:
Even that definition is problematic, as embryos do not develop in isolation and require external support in order to thrive. And many embryos don't go the full distance to become fully fledged infant human beings.

I have a tough time with this response because both points apply to infants as well...

- infants require external support & many don't live to age one...yet to kill (or starve/neglect) an infant is murder.

I have to say after 4 pages of this thread...I'm surprised how flimsey (if not rediculous) the majority of the pro-choice arguments really are. They've mostly been an attack, or an attempt to silence me, or comming up with the most sensational set of circumstances the world has ever seen, in order to force a point, rather than to prove it. (let's say a girl doesn't know she's pregnant & then does something to harm the fetus )

It reminds me of arguing with somebody who's convinced that a finite resource can never run out.

Although the "life begins at 40" comment really did crack me up!

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '[')b]Smallpoxgirl Wrote:
you are volunteering some one else to be a human incubator for it.

Excellent point there SPG!

[gg3]

Interesting about anencephaly.

For those who don't recognize that term, it's when a fetus develops in all ways except one: it has no brain, there is no brain inside its skull, the brain is entirely absent.

Question I have for the folks here who oppose abortion: do you consider it murder to abort a fetus that is anencephalic? Why or why not?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'Q')uestion I have for the folks here who oppose abortion: do you consider it murder to abort a fetus that is anencephalic? Why or why not?

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I', 'H')ere's another point to ponder. If you insist that the law prevent a woman from having a choice, then I insist that a concomitant law require that 'pro-lifers' must become adoptive parents to children who would otherwise have been aborted, whether they are willing to, financially able to, emotionally stable enough to or not.

Anything less is hypocritical.

And no, you can't stop at just one...

[dbruning]

You know, with all the hundreds of billions of abortions (grin) that have happened, it makes the upcoming die-off of roughly 5-6 billion seem so much less significant.

I feel much better now.

Since this thread is 100% opinion, here's mine. Pro-choice.

Although I wouldn't mind an obligatory sterilization after the 2nd one being passed as a law. Sometimes the truly stupid need a little help.

I've known unloved neglected children. Their lives were living hell until the system got a hold of them. Whether their lives improved after that, I'm not sure.

Either way, if a child is truly not wanted, why bring it into this world?

Do you enjoy the pain and suffering? Why do you hate children?

*grin*

Threads like these don't convince anyone. To make one is to invite loud debate that solves nothing.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dbruning', 'Y')ou know, with all the hundreds of billions of abortions (grin) that have happened, it makes the upcoming die-off of roughly 5-6 billion seem so much less significant.

I feel much better now.

Since this thread is 100% opinion, here's mine. Pro-choice.

Although I wouldn't mind an obligatory sterilization after the 2nd one being passed as a law. Sometimes the truly stupid need a little help.

I've known unloved neglected children. Their lives were living hell until the system got a hold of them. Whether their lives improved after that, I'm not sure.

Either way, if a child is truly not wanted, why bring it into this world?

Do you enjoy the pain and suffering? Why do you hate children?

*grin*

Threads like these don't convince anyone. To make one is to invite loud debate that solves nothing.

[RonMN]

Twilliam Wrote:
'pro-lifers' must become adoptive parents to children who would otherwise have been aborted.

Twilliam...i totally agree 100% without question! I've often thought (and said) that christians need to put their money where their mouth is...

However you mis-understand one point...I am not trying to make/change any laws...nor am I condeming anybody...I'm simply trying to call a spade a spade (& no, that is not a racist comment).

[RonMN]

gg3 Wrote:
Question I have for the folks here who oppose abortion: do you consider it murder to abort a fetus that is anencephalic? Why or why not?

Is this a set-up for saying that no brain inside the babies skull is equal to a deformed left hand or having blue eyes? Trying to blur the lines?

[LaLaLand]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'I') have a question to all Pro-Abortionists out there

[RonMN]

LaLaland Wrote:
There are no "pro-abortionists" anywhere

Then it would stand to reason that there is no such thing as "anti-abortionists"...would you agree?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I')'m all for a world where tubal ligations are encouraged and rewarded after the first or second child.

[RonMN]

I personally, have to look at it backwards...

Would it be ok for somebody to take my life right now?
NO!

Would it be ok for somebody to take my life as a teeenager?
NO!

Would it be ok for somebody to take my life as an infant?
NO!

Would it be ok for somebody to take my life as a dependant fetus?
NO!

Would it be ok for somebody to block ME from developing in the first place?
YES.

My opinion...I don't demand that you agree with my opinion...but I wish you'd atleast respect my opinion!

[lateralus]

I can think of many people that should of been aborted.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'I') personally, have to look at it backwards...

Would it be ok for somebody to take my life right now?
NO!

Would it be ok for somebody to take my life as a teeenager?
NO!

Would it be ok for somebody to take my life as an infant?
NO!

Would it be ok for somebody to take my life as a dependant fetus?
NO!

Would it be ok for somebody to block ME from developing in the first place?
YES.

My opinion...I don't demand that you agree with my opinion...but I wish you'd atleast respect my opinion!

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '[')b]Twilliam Wrote:
'pro-lifers' must become adoptive parents to children who would otherwise have been aborted.

Twilliam...i totally agree 100% without question! I've often thought (and said) that christians need to put their money where their mouth is...

However you mis-understand one point...I am not trying to make/change any laws...nor am I condeming anybody...I'm simply trying to call a spade a spade (& no, that is not a racist comment).

[LaLaLand]

The made-up word "abortionist" is exactly that... a made-up word.

I just looked it up on www.m-w.com and there wasn't a historical reference in regards to the fake word's origin and date of origin. I also looked it up in my paper 'Merriam-Webster's College Dictionary'; it wasn't there. My paper dictionary is 18 years old. That means "abortionist" is a recent entry into the American English lexicon. I travel to Scotland about once a year. The word "abortionist" does not exist in the Scottish dialect.

I'd say odds are high that the fake word appeared in the early 90's when the Republicans needed newer and flashier talking points in order to usher in their fascist agenda. Guess what! The American media doesn't use exact language; IE they repeated "abortionist" until it became an "official" word within the American English lexicon.